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Currently I have a roland fp30 as a midi controller, but normally I used my desktop pc, now I would like to buy a laptop and I was looking at an Asus Rog g14 ryzen 9 4900hs, my point is that if someone of you owns this laptop and has given it latency issues or something similar, or issues with usb connections connecting your keyboard as a controller. My intention is to use ableton Live, and I would like to choose the best laptop that does not give me problems with my dp or dpc latency problems, I appreciate your help and I will be attentive to your comments.

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With the integrated sound card, you should probably need ASIO4ALL since no specific ASIO drivers are provided (I guess). But I can’t tell you what latency you will have.

But USB link is quite standard : I don’t think you will gave any issue.


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
With the integrated sound card, you should probably need ASIO4ALL since no specific ASIO drivers are provided (I guess). But I can’t tell you what latency you will have.

But USB link is quite standard : I don’t think you will gave any issue.

I think Realtek has ASIO drivers. At least it apears as such on Pianoteq.


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With the integrated sound card, you should probably need ASIO4ALL since no specific ASIO drivers are provided (I guess). But I can’t tell you what latency you will have.

But USB link is quite standard : I don’t think you will gave any issue.

I think Realtek has ASIO drivers. At least it apears as such on Pianoteq.

You get poor performance from the Realtek; AS1O brings the whole thing to life with no issues. And it's free.


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Originally Posted by peterws
You get poor performance from the Realtek; AS1O brings the whole thing to life with no issues. And it's free.

Hi, Peter, I am not sure I follow you.

Apparently Realtek implemented ASIO in their drivers recently (I think, around a year ago). I remember reading about it when I updated the drivers of my laptop. Are they good (both Realtek interface and drivers)? I have no idea and TBH, I don't care, as for "serious" work I use my Yamaha AG-06. I just wanted to point that there is some ASIO support by Realtek.


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Originally Posted by davick
Currently I have a roland fp30 as a midi controller, but normally I used my desktop pc, now I would like to buy a laptop and I was looking at an Asus Rog g14 ryzen 9 4900hs, my point is that if someone of you owns this laptop and has given it latency issues or something similar, or issues with usb connections connecting your keyboard as a controller. My intention is to use ableton Live, and I would like to choose the best laptop that does not give me problems with my dp or dpc latency problems, I appreciate your help and I will be attentive to your comments.

I own that particular G14. I've had it for almost a year now but only started using it for piano in the last two weeks. It has no problems running everything. I don't know exactly how the latency would be with the generic ASIO but you'd probably be fine with ASIO4ALL if necessary. I used ASIO4ALL in my previous laptop setup and for the most part it was fine. But for now I use the USB ASIO drivers bundled with my audio interface or the one with my mixer (currently not in use). Using Garritan CFX Aria player and the Presonus USB ASIO driver I can run at 32 samples. I currently use 64 samples.

The biggest issue you might find with this laptop is that the fans can get loud. To get steady performance you will need to keep it plugged in. The default battery profile doesn't hold up (it uses a silent mode so the fans do not operate. You could probably adjust if you wanted to play on a higher performing battery mode).

The fan noise is not an issue for me so far. There's also no webcam if that's an issue for you. One of the most annoying things for me personally is that the keyboard is missing the home/end/pgdn/pgup keys. Turns out I use those alot. But besides those keys missing it's an amazing keyboard. One of the best really. And great trackpad. Not that you need those for this purpose.

If you want this laptop and just want to know if it will also work for VST then the answer is yes. It will easily do that. If you were just looking for the best value windows laptop for this purpose, you can probably find one for 1/2 the price. It's a great laptop for just about anything so it's not a bad choice if you have other uses for it. You can't really get it with more than 16gb of ram so that's another downside if you wanted to go with 32 at some point.

My son has had 2 lessons now over zoom while running garritan cfx in aria player. It's done a good job at that. If you wanted to get a slightly larger laptop, check out the G15. It supposedly has slightly quieter fans if that's a concern.

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Aside from the ASIO4ALL, I'd like to add that a RAM of more than 8gb is important. I use an FP10 with Garritan CFX and before when I had only 8gb of ram, there was a point where the the vst just lags horribly(about 30 mins of playing). I didn't understand why back then but now that I've upgraded my laptop to 12gb ram, I can now play continuously without the lag. When I checked Task Manager recently, I noticed my ram usage was about 8.5gb already after about 40 mins of playing so that tells me that maybe the lag before was because I was exceeding 8gb in memory.

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Aside from the ASIO4ALL, I'd like to add that a RAM of more than 8gb is important. I use an FP10 with Garritan CFX and before when I had only 8gb of ram, there was a point where the the vst just lags horribly(about 30 mins of playing). I didn't understand why back then but now that I've upgraded my laptop to 12gb ram, I can now play continuously without the lag. When I checked Task Manager recently, I noticed my ram usage was about 8.5gb already after about 40 mins of playing so that tells me that maybe the lag before was because I was exceeding 8gb in memory.

Regardless the amount of RAM (more is always better), if you are using Windows 10, I suggest you disable the swap/paging file.


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Currently I have a roland fp30 as a midi controller, but normally I used my desktop pc, now I would like to buy a laptop and I was looking at an Asus Rog g14 ryzen 9 4900hs, my point is that if someone of you owns this laptop and has given it latency issues or something similar, or issues with usb connections connecting your keyboard as a controller. My intention is to use ableton Live, and I would like to choose the best laptop that does not give me problems with my dp or dpc latency problems, I appreciate your help and I will be attentive to your comments.

I own that particular G14. I've had it for almost a year now but only started using it for piano in the last two weeks. It has no problems running everything. I don't know exactly how the latency would be with the generic ASIO but you'd probably be fine with ASIO4ALL if necessary. I used ASIO4ALL in my previous laptop setup and for the most part it was fine. But for now I use the USB ASIO drivers bundled with my audio interface or the one with my mixer (currently not in use). Using Garritan CFX Aria player and the Presonus USB ASIO driver I can run at 32 samples. I currently use 64 samples.

The biggest issue you might find with this laptop is that the fans can get loud. To get steady performance you will need to keep it plugged in. The default battery profile doesn't hold up (it uses a silent mode so the fans do not operate. You could probably adjust if you wanted to play on a higher performing battery mode).

The fan noise is not an issue for me so far. There's also no webcam if that's an issue for you. One of the most annoying things for me personally is that the keyboard is missing the home/end/pgdn/pgup keys. Turns out I use those alot. But besides those keys missing it's an amazing keyboard. One of the best really. And great trackpad. Not that you need those for this purpose.

If you want this laptop and just want to know if it will also work for VST then the answer is yes. It will easily do that. If you were just looking for the best value windows laptop for this purpose, you can probably find one for 1/2 the price. It's a great laptop for just about anything so it's not a bad choice if you have other uses for it. You can't really get it with more than 16gb of ram so that's another downside if you wanted to go with 32 at some point.

My son has had 2 lessons now over zoom while running garritan cfx in aria player. It's done a good job at that. If you wanted to get a slightly larger laptop, check out the G15. It supposedly has slightly quieter fans if that's a concern.


Thank you, your experience has helped me a lot !! If I want it to play live, using vst the truth is that the webcam matters little to me and I think that 16gb with that powerful cpu can move anything.
One last question Pathbreaker, when using the size 128 buffer, how much latency do you have?

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At 128 it's showing input latency of 6.168 ms and output latency of 5.397 ms. I am getting those numbers from Cubase because I don't know how else to find it.

In cubase, I swapped to the "Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver" and the latency went to 21.315 ms in/out. I went to the control panel for that thing but not totally sure how to adjust the buffer. It's just showing as small.

To be honest I don't see the point in using such a vastly inferior ASIO driver. I assume ASIO4ALL would be a much better option. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area but my assumption is that you want to find the best ASIO driver you can but at the very least not bother with the built-in driver. I don't have ASIO4ALL on here so I can't test that.

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At 128 it's showing input latency of 6.168 ms and output latency of 5.397 ms. I am getting those numbers from Cubase because I don't know how else to find it.

In cubase, I swapped to the "Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver" and the latency went to 21.315 ms in/out. I went to the control panel for that thing but not totally sure how to adjust the buffer. It's just showing as small.

To be honest I don't see the point in using such a vastly inferior ASIO driver. I assume ASIO4ALL would be a much better option. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area but my assumption is that you want to find the best ASIO driver you can but at the very least not bother with the built-in driver. I don't have ASIO4ALL on here so I can't test that.


Sure, ASIO4ALL is much better but it also depends on the interface drivers to reduce latency, you have good numbers I guess you use the g14 with ryzen 9, right?
I am planning to buy one and then I will use it with ableton. Pathbreaker

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May I ask the question : are ASIO4ALL and « Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver » tried with the same buffer length ?

21ms at let’s say 128 samples seems huge to me.


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At 128 it's showing input latency of 6.168 ms and output latency of 5.397 ms. I am getting those numbers from Cubase because I don't know how else to find it.

In cubase, I swapped to the "Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver" and the latency went to 21.315 ms in/out. I went to the control panel for that thing but not totally sure how to adjust the buffer. It's just showing as small.

To be honest I don't see the point in using such a vastly inferior ASIO driver. I assume ASIO4ALL would be a much better option. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area but my assumption is that you want to find the best ASIO driver you can but at the very least not bother with the built-in driver. I don't have ASIO4ALL on here so I can't test that.

Hi Pathbreaker, can you adjust the buffer of the Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver and test it again?


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Davick: I don't have experience with Rog g15, but have a brand new asus zenbook um433 ryzen5. Different league of laptop... But I am unable to use it for any VST... Constant cracks and slurred sound. Pianoteq, garritan, reaper, you name it. Asio4all does not help... An older asus zenbook (intel i5 5250u, maybe?) runs everything almost flawlessly (with asio4all... Any other driver is a nightmare).

I don't have an audio interface so I don't know if that would help.

This is juat to say that do not take g14 experience as an indication thta g15 will perform as well or better.

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Davick: I don't have experience with Rog g15, but have a brand new asus zenbook um433 ryzen5. Different league of laptop... But I am unable to use it for any VST... Constant cracks and slurred sound. Pianoteq, garritan, reaper, you name it. Asio4all does not help... An older asus zenbook (intel i5 5250u, maybe?) runs everything almost flawlessly (with asio4all... Any other driver is a nightmare).

I don't have an audio interface so I don't know if that would help.

This is juat to say that do not take g14 experience as an indication thta g15 will perform as well or better.


I think the problem is the asio4All driver, I have read reviews about that problem with that specific driver, I think that with an audio interface it would work but I want to be sure so that my purchase is not wasted (vagfilm)

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Originally Posted by davick
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Davick: I don't have experience with Rog g15, but have a brand new asus zenbook um433 ryzen5. Different league of laptop... But I am unable to use it for any VST... Constant cracks and slurred sound. Pianoteq, garritan, reaper, you name it. Asio4all does not help... An older asus zenbook (intel i5 5250u, maybe?) runs everything almost flawlessly (with asio4all... Any other driver is a nightmare).

I don't have an audio interface so I don't know if that would help.

This is juat to say that do not take g14 experience as an indication thta g15 will perform as well or better.


I think the problem is the asio4All driver, I have read reviews about that problem with that specific driver, I think that with an audio interface it would work but I want to be sure so that my purchase is not wasted (vagfilm)

I have used a weaker laptop the SAMSUNG NP305U1A , with a dual core A-series AMD processor, didn't have issues with the ASIO4ALL drivers. Now using desktop on i5 4th gen with 8g ram, all running smoothly.


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Originally Posted by davick
Sure, ASIO4ALL is much better but it also depends on the interface drivers to reduce latency, you have good numbers I guess you use the g14 with ryzen 9, right?
I am planning to buy one and then I will use it with ableton. Pathbreaker


Yes, this is on the g14 with ryzen 9. I started fresh by disconnecting the usb audio interface and starting a new project in cubase with the generic asio driver. The software is perfectly playable and I don't really perceive latency. Cubase reports it as 20 ms. If I run the standalone aria player, I don't get to choose the buffer size. It's only offering 441 as a choice. This is playable but I'm not finding how to read the latency from the aria player.

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Hi Pathbreaker, can you adjust the buffer of the Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver and test it again?
I'm not really sure how to adjust the buffer any lower. When I open the config for the Generic Low Latency Driver Setup, it offers me the lowest setting of "small" which shows as 10 ms. I can only adjust it upwards from there. Does this sound familiar?

The takeaway is that the generic driver isn't as bad as I thought but the options are very limited. I also have a Realtek ASIO driver showing but I couldn't get it to work in either application.

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Thanks PathBreaker, I have cleared my doubts regarding this, many people told me that they had many problems with this equipment but I suppose it must be because the equipment they had was defective from the factory.
One last thing, did you change the ssd storage so that it reads you faster when opening the vst? Because as you know, the ssd that comes from the factory in paper is slow compared to others

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I didn't change anything.


I haven't experienced any problems related to midi/latency/VST in the short time I've used it for that. There were some general system issues related to display/graphics and other drivers and windows updates early on but I think those are the kinds of things that happen early in the life of new hardware. I did have to do a full windows reset at one point. Everything has been smooth since then.

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I didn't change anything.

I should have said that the samples are slow to load in a new session. No faster than my previous laptop. I haven't applied the antivirus adjustments. I usually just grab a snack.


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