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#3109535 04/23/21 08:59 AM
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What do you think about the tempo I take and the interpretation ?

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Well done. Tempo works fine. This prelude works slow, medium, fast if the pianist sells it. I like to relate the prelude tempo to the fugue but I don't think that is necessary.


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For me, it loses the serenity I associate with this piece. It also sounds too aggressive.

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If you believe it is perfect than it is perfect.
But you are asking this question so it is not perfect.


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I prefer it slightly slower.


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Well, traditionalist that I am, I nevertheless can't say that I don't like it; it's quite "interesting" in that it emphasis (even more than the traditional approach) the harmonic progression of the work.

What does trouble me ever so slightly is that your interpretation emphasizes the top note in each measure, the notes on beats 2 and 4 and its repetition on the last note of those beats. It gives an unusual syncopation (or off-beat emphasis) to the Prelude. That may not necessarily be a "bad thing," but it's an emphasis that one doesn't normally here in traditional playing of this Prelude.

"Interesting," nevertheless. Thanks for sharing the experiment.

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Bruce, thank you for your feedback.

You are right about the accents and actually it is a mistake in my interpretation. I should have been more careful not to accent those notes.

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... or maybe beat 1 of the score is just a pick-up and now beat 2 becomes the primary beat ...?

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So you are playing at something around the recommended tempo by Czerny and Bishoff at 112. It is interesting to hear as i have not seen any recording at that tempo. Apart from the accentuation already mentionned, the rythm is a little loose between 0.55 and 1.05. Otherwise i find that it could work, though personally it is a little too fast for the content. Maybe 100 would better suit the music and would allow also to add some subtleties.

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I like it a lot.

BTW, I don't hear those emphases as anything like syncopation -- didn't have any impression or thought of the rhythm being affected.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
... or maybe beat 1 of the score is just a pick-up and now beat 2 becomes the primary beat ...?

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That's what I hear.


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Also noticed that, when I first learned this prelude as a child from the Peters Edition (from a bundle named Sonatinen Album, which probably included the Czerny version) I used to play an extra measure after measure 22.

Which version do you prefer?

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Carey, Bruce maybe you can try to hear it like Mark_C? grin

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Any chance you were inspired by Pachmann's Chopin Op. 10 No. 1?

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I like the tempo you play, although I agree about the accents, which really distract from the flowing nature of the piece. This was the first piece I learned for the piano (I stayed up really late one night learning it, excited that I found something I liked that I could actually play). To me, a lot of renditions of it feel ploddingly slow and cloyingly sentimental, so I prefer a tempo that is really flowing and nuanced, attentive to the construction of the piece but never feeling rushed.

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Originally Posted by newport
Any chance you were inspired by Pachmann's Chopin Op. 10 No. 1?

Honestly I only became aware of Pachmann after your post and listened to his Chopin 10/1 now. Very interesting and innovative interpretation indeed.

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Regarding it taking away from the "flow":
It didn't strike me that way in the least.
To me, it gave it energy and "point," without any cost to the flow. If anything, I felt that the quicker-than-usual tempo gave it more flow.


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Any chance you were inspired by Pachmann's Chopin Op. 10 No. 1?

BTW, that's a piece of Hakki's too.
He played it at one of the amateur Chopin competitions in Warsaw.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
BTW, that's a piece of Hakki's too.
He played it at one of the amateur Chopin competitions in Warsaw.

I see ... I think I remember the incident from a few (regular) competitions ago regarding a competitor's execution of this piece and people's reactions to it (some more and some less charitable :-).

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I like it a lot. Fast tempo makes the harmony come through much clearer. I might object that I should stress the first note more than you do, it has been already noted.

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I think this is an extreme outlier tempo for this piece that I don't think works well. The piece sounds more like a toccata and loses all the serenity I associate with this piece. I started checking YT performances by famous pianists and the fastest one I found was by Schiff at 1:40 and that performance was MUCH faster than most. The performance on this thread is 1:26.

Can anyone find a YT performance by a well known pianist faster than the one by Schiff?

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think this is an extreme outlier tempo for this piece that I don't think works well. The piece sounds more like a toccata and loses all the serenity I associate with this piece. I started checking YT performances by famous pianists and the fastest one I found was by Schiff at 1:40 and that performance was MUCH faster than most. The performance on this thread is 1:26.

Can anyone find a YT performance by a well known pianist faster than the one by Schiff?

You would have to look at older interprets to find something fast. Typically for example Edwin Fisher who plays it at the same tempo.

Several of the older harpsichordists play it roughly at the same tempo as Schiff. Leonhardt for example and the beautiful version of Kirkpatrick on clavichord (i have the LP version of his wtc). See below.




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