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This is just an example on the firsts variations of woo80. I use this one as example because the arpeggios appear in the beginning.
There are many other pianists who play non staccato arpeggio in similar way with other pieces.
Is it a new fashion to play arpeggio today or are there other reasons to do so?



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There is no right or wrong way to play arpeggios. It depends on the piece. There are plenty of cases in Bach where the arpeggios are played detached.

In this case it is marked leggiermente in the score and later there are staccato marks on similar phrases. So it makes sense to play in a detached way. How much detached depends on the pianist. Some play it just lightly detached with a bit of pedal, others clearly detached but always with a light touch. The pianist in the vid is a little too heavy.

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I'm currently working on this piece. Most pianists play it detached or legato. Listen to the Kissin recording, how his articulation makes it flowing, rhythmic, and dynamic. For the opening variations a pedaled approach would create a completely different atmosphere, making the accompaniment not as incisive and perhaps taking away from the rhythmical impetus to the variations. If you pedaled it, it would make a wash of sound, and this would make an extreme contrast to the theme, especially with the last two measures which lead into the first variation. It's not that pianists are choosing to play arpeggios nonlegato now as a trend, but that you have to take the music into account, both its structure and what you emphasize with it. I recommend that you listen to professional pianists play this set, to give you a better range of what's possible with the work.

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I agree Kissin’s case is a detached arpeggio and it is one of the interpretations for leggermente. But the video I have posted seems too short for a detached arpeggio, it is more similar to a staccato on fortepiano. It requires strong technic to be leggermente with a so short staccato and in this case for me the pianist is doing too heavy.

The problem is that I have heard also many people play Mozart’s arpeggio in this way... I know this is a choose but a quite recent choose...

I agree that many pieces by Bach could be played with detached arpeggio to be similar to harpsichord, but anyway I have learned to press the key a little bit longer in Bach’s staccato.


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You have in this vid, 3 different versions. You can also check Barenboim which is really different.

For Bach, it is really not a question of imitating the harpsichord, it is a stylistic choice. Besides contrary to common belief, if you listen to baroque music on the harpsichord, it sounds actually fluid and connected most of the time, except when the interpret does choose to play detached. The articulation in baroque music is quite refined.

Certainly classical and baroque use much more detached or staccato. So there is nothing surprising if there are detached or even staccato arpeggios in Mozart. There is really nothing that says that arpeggios must be played legato (actually near legato).


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thank you for your post, after some attempts, for me effectively keep the arpeggio staccato is the most difficult...
it really demonstrate the pianist's skill.
the bellow attempts are not perfect , but just a tentative to understand a part of this choice.
arpeggio long :arpeggio legato in this case for me is impossible

arpeggio staccato, really difficult especially keep it for the last part of var 3


my arpeggio natural:


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Masterclass on this piece from Maria Joao Pires


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Originally Posted by Walkman
Masterclass on this piece from Maria Joao Pires
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Walkman: Thank you very much for sharing, this is exactly my question and I got a very good answer from Maria (maybe not an answer).
Both staccato or legato are external brain wash. Now I should find the my personal feeling, believe the miracle will happen and epiphany...
The first note gives the potential energy of entire piece and let the rest as the natural consequences.

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