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We are looking to purchase a baby grand. I am not musical, my wife is a musician but a fairly novice pianist. We have two young kids, who we’d like to start lessons in the next few years. My wife has always dreamt of having a baby grand in the home.

We’ve been looking around and are narrowing in on three options.

1. ~2000 Pramberger JP-175. Dealer has refurbished and regulated. Also, the cabinet has been refinished in a satin finish. 3yr warranty. $9000 + tax and delivery.

2. 2008 Young Chang PG 185. Private party. I am told by the seller that they had it recently inspected and was rated “very good” condition. This is on the very big end as far as size for our room. Asking $8000.

3. New Hailun 161. Regulated and voiced to sound the best of the three, to us. $11,500 + tax and delivery.

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Best value, Hailun 178 goes brrrrrr.

Best action, Anything with kawai's millennium 3.

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New Hailun 178 if you can afford it. The 161 is pretty small.


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Originally Posted by j&j
New Hailun 178 if you can afford it. The 161 is pretty small.
That's a really good price for the 5'4" Hailun 161 - plus you get a new piano warranty. If there is a similar discount for a 178, and you can afford it, it might be a more satisfactory instrument.

If you decide to pursue the 2008 Young Chang PG185, ask to speak to the person who did the recent inspection. It might be a good idea to hire your own tech to evaluate it.


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The Hailun if you can, and the next size up. Bigger is better with grands. I used to say that anything under 6' is a waste. I have updated my thinking that 5'8" can be okay in some circumstances. But 5'4"...it would be a very hard sell for me. But to each their own. Whatever you do, don't get a "baby grand" just to say "hey, look, we have a grand piano!" Once your kids progress and your ears develop, you will be sorry if it's too short. A short grand has less to work with than a nice upright...

As far as Young Chang, I always thought they were okay-ish, but the techs and dealers around here do not like them at all--there are reasons they still make stuff without their own name on them! And I am not sure if that YC you found could be part of the warping action bracket issue or not.

Always have your own tech check things out. What their tech says means nothing to anyone but themselves.


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Try the small grands out first, if you haven't, and if your wife has enough songs to get a feel for them. Some of the small grands 'play bigger' and have more presence than their size. Some just seem small, and each one is different. Also I bet you could find a used Yamaha C2 for a similar price. I played one of those at a local shop and thought it was a nice instrument (just not what I wanted).

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As far as Young Chang, I always thought they were okay-ish, but the techs and dealers around here do not like them at all--there are reasons they still make stuff without their own name on them! And I am not sure if that YC you found could be part of the warping action bracket issues...

As far as I know, 2008 is well beyond the years with the expanding action bracket problem. Also you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of their current branding philosophy.

I think the Hailun 161 is a significant step up from the 151. And the 178 is a significant step up from the 161. But it’s obvious from the posting that the OP is trying to stay within a budget.

If not the new piano, I’d suggest the largest of the two used pianos, all things being equal. Then take the savings vs. new and hire a top-tier technician to sort out the regulation, voicing and hammer shaping to make the piano play as well as possible.


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Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
As far as Young Chang, I always thought they were okay-ish, but the techs and dealers around here do not like them at all--there are reasons they still make stuff without their own name on them! And I am not sure if that YC you found could be part of the warping action bracket issue or not..
The warping action bracket issue was resolved long before the PG models were built. As for still making "stuff without their own name on them" - all they are building now are Young Chang, Weber and Albert Weber pianos....which is consistent with what they've done for the past 35 years. In the past they've built some stencils (Cline, Schafer & Sons) and, for a time, Essex Pianos for Steinway. But that is not inconsistent with what other makers have done (Samick, Pearl River, etc.).


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There's a lot of dislike for Young Chang, on this forum as well as dealerships. I played a Young Chang from the 1980s. My mom still has that piano.
I've been looking at pianos for the past few months, and every time I go back to mom's house, I prefer that piano to most of the other used pianos I've looked at -- even some more recent ones.

Will it compare with a new piano? No. And Hailun has a very good reputation.
Within that same budget, you may also want to look at Brodmann. My piano technician likes them a lot. Very high build quality, German hardware.


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