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#3105691 04/13/21 10:08 AM
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The time signature in this piece is 4\8, but the notes in the image don't seem to add up correctly, with the 1st note being a quarter note and the remaining three notes eighth notes. My SmartScore software also complains about it when I scan it.

And why are there rests here when a note is being played at that point in time?

What am I missing? Or did the editor have something else on his\her mind that day?

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This notation is perfectly correct. There are 2 (or 5) different voices, the ones with the stem down and the ones with the stem up. The notes with the stem down are a quarter, a quaver pause and a quaver, adding up to 4 quavers. The notes with the stem up are a quaver rest, two quavers and another quaver rest, and that adds up to 4 quavers as well. Imagine this accompaniment being played by different instruments in e.g. a brass band: the stem down notes would be the bass or tuba, those with the stem up might be played by euphoniums.

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Originally Posted by TBell
My SmartScore software also complains about it when I scan it.
I'd say - don't rely on computer software to teach you how to notate. I've seen more than a few silly 'choices' they make on notating stuff, which any human can see is wrong. Blame the human programmer.....

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And why are there rests here when a note is being played at that point in time?

What am I missing? Or did the editor have something else on his\her mind that day?
There have been many threads on this in ABF, which confuses people who have never played anything in more than two 'parts' (like Two-Part Inventions as well as all pop songs) which have their own staves.

There are two "voices" running concurrently under the banner of the same staff in the bass clef. Therefore the upper 'tenor' voice (with stems pointing upwards) has its own rests, and ditto for the lower 'bass' voice (stems pointing downwards). That also means that you hold on the quarter notes of the bass with the first chord of the tenor - when the way it's notated makes perfect sense, because, how else could it be notated without putting each voice into its own separate staff?

For instance, if you have singers singing the tenor and bass parts of this:


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I have never used Smartscore, but I just googled “smartscore multiple voices.” It is an option you can select. This should allow you to have both stems up and down in the same measure, as well as rests for a single voice. This notation is very common.

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Originally Posted by Pianist685
This notation is perfectly correct. There are 2 (or 5) different voices, the ones with the stem down and the ones with the stem up. The notes with the stem down are a quarter, a quaver pause and a quaver, adding up to 4 quavers. The notes with the stem up are a quaver rest, two quavers and another quaver rest, and that adds up to 4 quavers as well. Imagine this accompaniment being played by different instruments in e.g. a brass band: the stem down notes would be the bass or tuba, those with the stem up might be played by euphoniums.
This. Realizing that there are two voices (as shown in the posted picture) is key to counting the measure. Try counting each voice (including the pertinent rests) separately and you will find that each works out to the given time signature.


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Yes I understand the staff direction and voices now. Thank you.

But that means I hold the 1st octave while playing the 1st chord, and I don't see that happening due to the stretch ... here is another measure in the score.The RH is busy with its own melody and this version is written for piano.

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Originally Posted by TBell
But that means I hold the 1st octave while playing the 1st chord, and I don't see that happening due to the stretch ... here is another measure in the score.The RH is busy with its own melody
You use the sustain pedal to hold the octave down, as the pedal indication also indicates (and release the pedal as shown, though it's actually legato pedalling which is implied there).


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