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This is a beginner piece as you can see, however I can't seem to play it with correct dynamics and nuances using my 2-sensor Korg C1 piano. Admittedly I'm still improving my technique and my control, but I wanted to know if others have had difficulty keeping the chord quieter than the melody line and particularly controlling the legato in the first bar the sol key. When I release the key, it breaks the legato and if I don't release it, I can't seem to hit the note again.

Summary: I'm not sure if it's my weak technique or my weak piano.

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“Can you 2-sensor DP owners play....”;

Why such a condescending tone toward 2-sensor DP owners?

You know, I was once looked down-on by three-sensor owners, so I know how it feels. It turns out I’m now a three-sensor DP owner myself and I would never be condescending towards them ‘2-owners’ because, once again, I know how it feels!

I can only imagine how you would treat the 1-sensor owners; shame on you!

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LOL I bow down to you my 3-sensored lord. :p I wish I had one of your sensors!


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You guys must have Extra-Sensory-Perception.



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meghdad I would tend to think it is your technique more then the Korg DP. You just have to take it slow and really hunker down practicing when this happens to you.


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You guys must have Extra-Sensory-Perception.


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Jeff Bezos has this ‘ESP’ you talk about:


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meghdad I would tend to think it is your technique more then the Korg DP. You just have to take it slow and really hunker down practicing when this happens to you.

+1 to this.

if you believe your technique is fine, then I can think of -

- Unless you're playing at a very high tempo (>160 maybe) those notes should be quite easy to repeat on a piano with no escapement. I'm thinking "comodo" means somewhat around "walking speed" so a normal tempo could be used and the piece reproduced well on the Korg.

- If you are playing at a normal tempo, then maybe the touch setting?

Bottom line - I don't think this is a 2-sensor DP key action issue. The Korg you have is a good one.

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Why do you think it is legato....it says "dolce" in the score, that is not necessarily legato.
The arcs above the melody line indicate the phrasing.

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The two-sensor vs. three-sensor issue is related to repetition. That won't be an issue with this piece. As EPW said above ...
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I would tend to think it is your technique more than the Korg DP.

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The concept of "walking" is useful here. It suggests an easy, comfortable tempo, AND, perhaps some help in mastering the legato required.

If you are attempting to get to a state of legato, by coming from detached or staccato playing and incrementally drawing closer and closer to the point that the notes become legato, I think you can introduce a lot of tension in your hands and arms trying to reach that point while simultaneously trying not to overshoot that point. This tension can make the rest of your goals (dynamics and nuances) difficult to attain.

Try coming to the point of legato from the other extreme. Play those left hand chords with a gentle rocking motion from 3&5 to Thumb to 3&5 etc., and OVERlegato them. Allow the 3&5 to overlap the thumb somewhat just so you can focus on the rocking movement. Ignore the overlap until you get that gentle rocking sensation down.

Once you get the rocking down, start reducing the amount of the overlap until you reach the legato that you like.

It's like walking, you don't lift the rear foot to pull it forward until just after the other foot touches down on the ground in front of you.

Something else that might be helpful is, if you have a digital piano, turn it off and practice the rocking motion while just listening to the keys bottoming out and feeling the keys bottoming out. Change the direction of the rocking after you hear and feel the landing of the other fingers/thumb. Apply slight finger motion to make the fine adjustments.

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Originally Posted by swiss_boy
Why do you think it is legato....it says "dolce" in the score, that is not necessarily legato.
The arcs above the melody line indicate the phrasing.

The piece should be played legato. The slurs indicate that the corresponding phrases should be played legato. For the comping they wrote explicitly legato.

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First off, the piece ‘may’ be played legato; it’s simply a suggestion/guideline and not a rule that ‘must’ be obeyed or else!

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First off, the piece ‘may’ be played legato; it’s simply a suggestion/guideline and not a rule that ‘must’ be obeyed or else!

I know this is from another thread but how would the "Monks" play it?

I agree that usually the markings are more of a suggestion and not an iron-clad rule smile


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Originally Posted by swiss_boy
Why do you think it is legato....it says "dolce" in the score, that is not necessarily legato.
The arcs above the melody line indicate the phrasing.

Second off, I don’t care if it says dolce & gabbana because this means nothing in the real world.

This terminology: legato, shmegato, dolce, agitato ma non molto are at best guidelines and at worst a way of making simplicity appear sophisticated!

Ask Bach if he gave two $hits about shmegato; newsflash, he didn’t.

And please don’t lecture me on how the harpsichord is not suitable for these markings because Bach didn’t even indicate tempo markings because guess what, the music itself will tell you all you need to know about dynamics, tempo, and overall interpretation.

But the Romantics had to show up with all their drama, “calmato”; “shmegato”; “morendo a’ la fin”; “allegro con fuoco”; “appassionato”; “lento ma non tropo”, etc....

What does that even mean, allegro con fuoco? Am I supposed to set the score on fire?

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I have a 3 sensor vpc-1 and a 2 sensor yamaha cp33, and while the vpc-1 feels nicer to play because of the differences in mechanics, I can't say I notice anything lacking in sensing dynamics on the cp33. It plays fine to me, and allows me to play dynamically.

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Well, on a dual sensor action there will be a "note off" event before a new "note on" event is possible, so yes -- it's has such a limitation.

But shouldn't "legato" here just mean as small gaps as possible or as connected notes as possible? No need to try the impossible.

And looks like alternating fingers are recommended for note repetition. But as usual fingerings are just suggestions.

(And as usual: I'm not a real pianist, so what do I know...)

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What does that even mean, allegro con fuoco? Am I supposed to set the score on fire?


I think you are to put it in a smoker for several hours shocked


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Originally Posted by Thomas B
Originally Posted by swiss_boy
Why do you think it is legato....it says "dolce" in the score, that is not necessarily legato.
The arcs above the melody line indicate the phrasing.

The piece should be played legato. The slurs indicate that the corresponding phrases should be played legato. For the comping they wrote explicitly legato.

...but the legato indication is for the left hand only, the right hand is supposed to play dolce (soft, with sweetness).
In the first 4 bars of the second line this is swapped between the hands, like also the melody/accompaniment, just to come back to the original setup for the last 4 bars.
Of course you can play it the way you like. However the intention of this little exercice is to always have separate/independent tasks for left and right hand in terms of musical expression.

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