2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad) Piano Sight Reading
train piano sight reading with your iPhone or iPad
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
39 members (bcloud, brdwyguy, aphexdisklavier, David Boyce, bxrdad1, Davdoc, antune, Dave Horne, 7 invisible), 432 guests, and 542 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
#3104881 04/11/21 11:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 185
Full Member
OP Online Content
Full Member
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 185
Is it normal for a Dealership to not take anything off of their MSRP price?

That sort of just happened to me
Brand new Boston GP193- PE II $43,300. Black Ebony.
when asked about any mark down, was told - that is a pretty firm price.
Even "Fine" has it listed MSRP as $41,700?

Is this normal or should I be looking at a different dealer?
(FYI - it's a Steinway Dealer)

With this kind of sales approach - I will probably be looking at KAWAI GX2 or GX3 instead.

brdwyguy

Last edited by brdwyguy; 04/11/21 12:00 PM.

JDM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 599
D
Platinum Subscriber
500 Post Club Member
Online Content
Platinum Subscriber
500 Post Club Member
D
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 599
Steinway likes to pretend they do not discount, but they will at least at times. Can make an offer and see if they will accept.

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 5,876
E
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 5,876
Piano sales have been surprisingly strong during the year of Covid and suppliers of some components have had production difficulties. There has also been shipping delays. I have been selling all my pianos at my asking price this past year. (I only sell rebuilt pianos).


In a seemingly infinite universe-infinite human creativity is-seemingly possible.
According to NASA, 93% of the earth like planets possible in the known universe have yet to be formed.
Contact: toneman1@me.com
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 163
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 163
brdwyguy - I agree with dhull100: Make an offer. If they refuse, then consider looking at the Kawais.

A fair comparison would be Boston GP-178 to the Kawai GX-2 due to them both being 5' 10".

Boston GP-193 is 6' 4". Kawai GX-3 is 6' 2". Very close in size, but the Boston is 2" longer yet goes for $10k less retail.

I've noticed that Kawai dealers offer larger than average discounts, so keep that in mind.

The sound and action are a bit different and the Kawais have Neotex keytops.

Kawai builds both brands.

You might take these things into consideration and try each of the models to see which one you like best - especially if size and price difference don't matter much to you in this particular case.

One of the main things I've learned on this forum, from various articles, and from personal experience is to try out the pianos.

Stormbringer

Last edited by Stormbringer; 04/11/21 12:49 PM.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Casio PX-870
Working on Alfred's Adult AIO Book 2
1970's: Took piano lessons. 2021: This old man is giving it a 2nd go.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Feel The Power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 855
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 855
This is normal behavior (only) from S&S dealer.


Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. (falsely attributed to Plato)
Vlad,
Adult beginner
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 11,144
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 11,144
There is a severe inventory shortage due to COVID19. Units ordered today aren't expected to be in until June or July.

Many dealers are not discounting because they can't get replacement inventory.


Piano Industry Consultant

Contributing Editor & Consultant - Acoustic & Digital Piano Buyer

Jasons Music
Maryland/DC/No. VA
Family Owned and Operated Since 1937.

www.jasonsmusic.com
My postings, unless stated otherwise, are my personal opinions, not those of my clients.
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 25,016
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Gold Subscriber
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 25,016
Originally Posted by brdwyguy
Is it normal for a Dealership to not take anything off of their MSRP price?

[...]

Given the global pandemic and its myriad manifestations and influences, I think it's hard to say what is "normal" these days. You can only try your negotiating skills - if that's your interest - and see what transpires.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,505
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,505
It depends on the S&S dealer. Some discount less than other brands/dealers, some not hardly all. Some tend to discount the Steinway sub-lines more than the flagship brand. But as you noticed, even the SMP pricing on the Boston grand models tends to be a little lower than the competing Kawai GX, and a good bit lower than the equivalent Yamaha CX models in the US market. It sort of evens things out in a weird way.

A good, well-prepped GP-193 PEII is a nice piano. Of course, the same can be said for a GX-3 or C3X...


Pianist, teacher, apprentice technician, internet addict.
Piano Review Editor - Acoustic and Digital Piano Buyer
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,298
L
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,298
Originally Posted by Steve Cohen
There is a severe inventory shortage due to COVID19. Units ordered today aren't expected to be in until June or July.

Many dealers are not discounting because they can't get replacement inventory.


I think this is your answer.


When you play, never mind who listens to you. R.Schumann.

Casio GP-400
Schimmel SP-182T "I wish I had the room to keep you around"
August Forster 215
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 107
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 107
No dealer in his right mind is going to offer a markdown just because you asked for it. You have to go prepared.

By doing your homework, researching going prices for the piano & similar ones, you can build up a sense of what the fair market price actually is. You will discover one of two things, it's either a fair market price or it's not. If it is, then what the dealer quoted is right. If not, then you should have enough research about comparables to present a case for a competitive price adjustment. Check other dealers (local & online), pianomart, eBay sold & unsold listings, craigslist, etc.

Recently I found a grand that I felt was significantly overpriced. Research proved it was. I put together a table with details listing the comparables that were on the market and others recently sold; some from dealers, some from pianomart, some sold items on eBay. I included identification of each seller, that was an important part of the table. I was able to 'prove' a fair market value and it resulted in a 25% price reduction following a brief and friendly discussion.

Last edited by Pianosearcher; 04/11/21 02:24 PM.
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 29,845
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 29,845
Originally Posted by Pianosearcher
No dealer in his right mind is going to offer a markdown just because you asked for it. You have to go prepared.
I don't agree. Whether a dealer is willing to offer a markdown is not necessarily based on how prepared one is or how logical one's bargaining is. Just because you got a markdown with your approach doesn't mean you wouldn't have gotten a markdown without that approach.

Last edited by pianoloverus; 04/11/21 02:45 PM.

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Couch to Concert Hall
Couch to Concert Hall
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Happy for my new Kawai GL-30!
by Guido, Roma - Italy - 05/11/21 04:26 AM
Advice on how to select S7X from two
by Sonepica - 05/11/21 04:00 AM
Mason and Hamlin A Caster Sockets
by jnack95 - 05/10/21 11:16 PM
Help me pick! Kawai CN39 or Yamaha CSP150
by lety - 05/10/21 07:42 PM
Liszt Rhapsodie Espagnole
by dolce sfogato - 05/10/21 06:23 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics206,851
Posts3,092,069
Members101,468
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5