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I used to be a fanatic about scales when I was playing seriously. I'd play them for hours on end and got real joy in seeing them progress. I got a few good tips from various teachers and at my peak had them up to about 130 = quarter note before severely injuring my RH forefinger which washed me up. I occasionally toy with them now and then on the arm of my sofa and finally decided after several years away from the piano to see what I could do. My left hand is still at about 130 but my RH is pretty miserable and can only do that speed in spurts before giving out.

I was wondering what our members' speeds are when they are practiced and primed to demonstrate.


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I guess this thread is a bust.


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So sorry to hear about your index finger. What does '130 = quarter note' actually mean?

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I assume you mean 130 quarters in 16th notes , ie 520 notes per minute.

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
I assume you mean 130 quarters in 16th notes , ie 520 notes per minute.
Why would you assume its anything different than Metzel crotchet 130 beats per minute?
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I haven't practiced scales for around 60 years. When I did practice them, the metronome hadn't been invented yet.

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I don't own a metronome that works - I have an ancient miniature Wittner Super-Mini Taktell (made in West Germany) that I bought when I was young (about a hundred years ago) which no longer works, which I'm hoping I'll be able to sell on eBay for at least $£$€£, when everything in the world (including pianos) have gone Hal, and people hanker for anything and everything mechanical that reminds them of a past humanity that once existed on Earth.

A few years ago, I did acquire a working mechanical one (which came free with a subscription to Pianist Magazine) which I subsequently re-packaged and gave it away as a birthday present to someone less deserving than me. (It's now sitting on top of her upright, next to plastic busts of Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bartók and Berg, so as you can see, she's less deserving of it than me.)

What is the topic in this thread again? Oh, metronome speed on scales.
Nope, no dice.

When I play a scale (like that B flat melodic minor in Op.53), it goes as fast as it needs to go. No more, and certainly no less.


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Originally Posted by Sidokar
I assume you mean 130 quarters in 16th notes , ie 520 notes per minute.

Yes, when you set the metronome at 130 you play four 16th's to each beat. Interesting. I thought nearly all pianists at a higher level of proficiency practiced scales. Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


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Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


Online Metronome
You've lost me there.

I don't own a mobile/cell phone, let alone a "smart" phone.....


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Playing semi-quavers at crotchet = 130 isn't that fast. I'm surprised you injured yourself.

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Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Yes, when you set the metronome at 130 you play four 16th's to each beat. Interesting. I thought nearly all pianists at a higher level of proficiency practiced scales. Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them.

The top speed of pros is in the range of 850 notes per minute hands separate and a little less hands together. So something like 180 to 200 quarters.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


Online Metronome
You've lost me there.

I don't own a mobile/cell phone, let alone a "smart" phone.....
I finally bought one a few months ago - a smartphone, that is - because we'd been having problems with the internet and need to keep an eye on E-mails (a long story, but now I'm paying for both mad ). Not sure I like the idea of using it as an instrument of torture, though crazy


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Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


Online Metronome
You've lost me there.

I don't own a mobile/cell phone, let alone a "smart" phone.....

Click on that link for "online metronome". Musicians with an iPhone or Galaxy can pull up that link and set the phone on their music stand. Very handy.


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Originally Posted by petebfrance
Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


Online Metronome
You've lost me there.

I don't own a mobile/cell phone, let alone a "smart" phone.....
I finally bought one a few months ago - a smartphone, that is - because we'd been having problems with the internet and need to keep an eye on E-mails (a long story, but now I'm paying for both mad ). Not sure I like the idea of using it as an instrument of torture, though crazy

Well, they're quite handy when an imbecile like myself pops in and asks, "What is your cruising speed for scales?" blush


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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Playing semi-quavers at crotchet = 130 isn't that fast. I'm surprised you injured yourself.

No, I didn't injure myself playing scales. I was practicing the Poulenc Toccata and at that very bottom A I threw up my right arm in a stupid flourish for a job well done, brought down my arm, missed the A and hit the block of wood as hard as I could. Crunch! Permanent nerve damage that causes the RH forefinger to spasm and stick into the air in fast passages. This was in 1970. I tried to make a comeback in 2005 but this kept happening after several hours of practice. I couldn't control it. Here's an example:


Chopin Prelude #16 With Bum Finger


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Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Originally Posted by petebfrance
Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by J Joe Townley
Pianists don't use the old mechanical devices of 100 years ago anymore, at least most of them. The newer generation I've seen use their smartphone and plug in this link or something similar:


Online Metronome
You've lost me there.

I don't own a mobile/cell phone, let alone a "smart" phone.....
I finally bought one a few months ago - a smartphone, that is - because we'd been having problems with the internet and need to keep an eye on E-mails (a long story, but now I'm paying for both mad ). Not sure I like the idea of using it as an instrument of torture, though crazy

Well, they're quite handy when an imbecile like myself pops in and asks, "What is your cruising speed for scales?" blush
That's something I would probably be embarrassed to reveal frown


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just a little thing: playing Chopin's op.25/11 is fine but for those last scales, they should sound like a glissando but they aren't, most difficult part.


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According to my metronome your playing here seems more in the 4*140=560 notes per minute range.

That index finger looks not good. A lot of tension. I'm surprised how fast you can still play without that finger.

Are you not using that finger in big parts of these scales at all?

BTW I think this piece would benefit from trading speed for other things like bringing out lines and dynamics.


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It sounds like you guys want to BATTLE.

Format?
Entry Time-Frame?
Prizes?


We probably want to keep the format short, because no one wants to watch 5 minutes of every person playing scales. shocked

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