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#3102074 04/04/21 01:44 PM
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As many do, I started out on the Romantics, then went both backwards and forward in time to learn more composers and styles. One composer I have no playing experience with is Joseph Hayden, although I love his symphonies. Could anyone suggest a place to start with him on the keyboard? Best loved or favorite pieces? Most satisfying, intellectually or emotionally or technically? Even most popular!? My skill level is advanced intermediate. Much thanks!


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Vastly sorry, Haydn.


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There are many sonatas or single movements from sonatas that are probably appropriate and will undoubtedly be suggested by others. It's hard to know your level because advanced intermediate does not mean the same to everyone.

I'm going to suggest Haydn's Cappriccio in G major.

which I think is utterly delightful.

You can find the score for free on IMSLP and perhaps decide if the level is appropriate.

Schiff has a terrific lecture or two about this piece here:

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The first sonatas of Haydn are almost all in the range of intermediate. I am not sure exactly what your level is but assuming something like RCM 8 to 10. A couple of his early sonatas would be even easier. And if you are more like an RCM 9 or 10 you can play a few others more complex.

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Try this one:


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Why not start with the Sonata No 31 in A flat, Hob. XVI/46.

It's good fun to play and doesn't contain any major technical dramas. Musically very satisfying, with a terrific slow movement.

Have a look at the F minor Variations too. Comes in manageable chunks.

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Here is A flat played by a pianist I admire.



The Brendel performance of the F min Variations is the one I prefer.


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This one sounds very nice

Starts at 33:13 Sonata in C major Hob. XVI:48


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Just a quick note about Jean-Efflam Bavouzet. He prefers Yamaha pianos, and Steinway.

When he played in Adelaide (my home town!), the venue where he performed had a new 7.6" Bosendorfer. I was able to ask him about his impressions of the Bosendorfer. He replied in a beautiful French accent: "It was not as bad as I thought it would be."

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The OP described himself as an advanced intermediate. I don't think many of the suggested sonatas and certainly not the f minor variations are at all suitable for what would generally be considered that level. I was leery that even my suggestion of the G major Capriccio would be too difficult although I think that piece is easier than the other suggestions.

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The term ‘advanced intermediate’ means something different to each of us; sometimes, how we would even describe ourselves may vary from day to day.

To recommend a good Haydn match, it would be most useful to have a list of recent repertoire.


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Sorry about being imprecise about my skill level. I never went to conservatory or taken any level exams, so I was just guessing. But in the past few months, I've memorized Scarlatti K431 and the Chopin Waltz in A-flat (Farewell), and just about have K380 under my belt. And when I was younger, I did OK with Beethoven -- all of Pathetique and Moonlight. Not at the level of what I've heard on this Forum, of course, which is very impressive. Would this qualify as intermediate, or suitable for the Haydn cited above? I guess the only way to find out is to wade in. Anyway, thanks very, very much for your suggestions!


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In that case, you are somewhere like a grade 8 or 9 in RCM. There are plenty of Haydn sonatas that would fall in that range. Almost all the first ones would be easier. Personally i like the F Major hob 16:23. Thats difficult enough but fun to play.

The Hob 16.46 or 48 would be a level above that.

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I think most of the specific Haydn pieces mentioned on this thread that have the videos included, including the one I gave, are somewhat or much more difficult than the pieces you currently play. The ones Sidokar mentioned may be more appropriate. But you can try a few pages of any that appeal to you and will probably be able to decide if they are doable. And you don't have to feel obliged to learn all three movements. Really liking a piece is a great motivator for learning it even if it's on the difficult side.

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the variations in f-minor are truly magnificent without being too difficult, one of his best pieces.


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
the variations in f-minor are truly magnificent without being too difficult, one of his best pieces.
They are magnificent but would you give them to a pupil who was studying the Chopin Farewell Waltz?

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Originally Posted by CharlesXX
Why not start with the Sonata No 31 in A flat, Hob. XVI/46.

It's good fun to play and doesn't contain any major technical dramas. Musically very satisfying, with a terrific slow movement.


I second this. I'm an amateur player myself, but find this one manageable and very rewarding musically.


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