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Hi,
I developed a pain in my left wrist (pinky side).
The reason is probably to much stress when practicing Comptine d'un autre ete.
My left hand is bend fairly hard to the left. I'm playing 1 and 5 at the same time.

Any recommendations to overcome this?

Thank you

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I don’t understand why you are bending your wrist to the left to play an interval no greater than an octave. Can you play an octave without bending your wrist to the left? You should be able to move your entire arm, if necessary to keep the same vertical movement and no wrist bending.


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Some causes for bending like that are:
- if you sit too close so that your arm has no room to move
- not being used to your arm moving, so you twist over with your wrist
- not having a sense of the 3D freedom of motion of the entire arm mechanism and even body

You might get more help if you post this in the ABF and if you could provide a pic of your hand and forearm (at least) while playing this. The teacher forum is primarily for teachers discussing teaching issues and they often don't respond to these queries, since it's their everyday paid work. (Sometimes we get lucky). Those in the ABF are not really all "beginners" and many have a fair bit of knowledge to draw on.

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Stop practicing what causes pain immediately.

Give yourself 4 days of rest and try again. If pain comes back repeat.

No music is worth injuring yourself over.

It might be bad technique. This is something a teacher can help you with.


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You also need to practice letting the whole arm's weight fall into the key so you're not pushing as much.

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We would like to see a video of your left hand playing several bars.

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a movie and a picture
small movie

[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RnM7XCqNTr9EapC48[/img]

I don't know why but my hand is almost completely bend to the left. I'm all ready sitting a but to the right of middle C.
The further I go to the left, the more straight is my hand.

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a pain in my left wrist (pinky side).
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The reason can be seen with great clarity: a stiff, inflexible wrist (marked with a red line), which creates the worst conditions for finger movement. IMO this problem extends to the very shoulder.

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And it's crooked


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Originally Posted by hast66
The further I go to the left, the more straight is my hand.

Is your body in the way of going to the right? If so bio-mechanics suggest sitting farther back, as Keystring suggested.


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has66, I'd suggest you bring this discussion into the ABF - its members (mostly) are the ones commenting here in the first place.
Check out John Mortensen's "pillars" and maybe also the basics by PianoOlogist. Link to Mortensen:




You are playing only "fingery" with nothing else moving - the info in pillars and similar might get you started. smile

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Thank you for the reactions.
I'll have a look at it
My (pre corona) teacher hardly spook about technique.
If somebody could post a movie how it should look like...

Maybe a moderator could move this to ABF?

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Your post does not need to be moved , in spite of one member mentioning it twice. It is just one person’s Opinion. Please ask any questions you have after you have had a chance to read the replies snd look at the material.


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When you're practicing that specific section, lean back a little and to the right to straighten out your wrist. When you're out of that section, resume whatever body position was comfortable.

Your hands are also big enough to come at it from an angle with straight wrist, if you want to stay body straight, it'll feel awkward, but you can do it that way too.

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Your post does not need to be moved , in spite of one member mentioning it twice. It is just one person’s Opinion. Please ask any questions you have after you have had a chance to read the replies snd look at the material.
The "one person" did not have an opinion but a suggestion. The reason is that more people in the ABF will be responding, while only a few of us look over here in the teacher forum. The post does not need to be moved. But the question can be asked again in the ABF. There is nothing wrong with the conversation continuing here, especially since it is already continuing here.

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I don't think your post needs to move, but I think that maybe your elbow does or maybe your bum needs to slide up the bench.

Can you play that octave in a comfortable position? (After a week of rest as has been suggested! Since you're bored during that week of rest, add some ice and compression and elevation as well.


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In addition to what others have said about moving your torso and arm, you can move your pinky much further into the black key area. You never want to have that kind of skewed angle at the wrist.


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Originally Posted by keystring
Some causes for bending like that are:
- if you sit too close so that your arm has no room to move
+1. You may want to sit a little bit further from the keyboard than usual for this piece.


And you need to work on relaxing your wrist when playing. It takes time. It may be that you need to put this piece aside for some time before you learn to keep your wrists relaxed and playing in that register becomes comfortable.

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Originally Posted by keystring
has66, I'd suggest you bring this discussion into the ABF - its members (mostly) are the ones commenting here in the first place.
Check out John Mortensen's "pillars" and maybe also the basics by PianoOlogist. Link to Mortensen:




You are playing only "fingery" with nothing else moving - the info in pillars and similar might get you started. smile

Mortensen uses the four legs of a piano stool as an analogy for his four pillars but, like others, he does not describe where to put it. The result is JV and my bio-mechanic advise sitting farther back. But how much farther back?

One rule of thumb could be to describe how outstreched the arms should be when reaching out to the lower base and the upper treble, subject to comfortably reaching the pedals.

Would anyone like to say something about this? Are you sitting comfortably, now we'll begin is not really sufficient.


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Robert Estrin has answered my question with poster image for this video showing hands hanging down against the fallboard. Nice to know I have got something right for once.


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