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Oh, come to think of it, I also dislike the middle section of Chopin's 37/2 (aka the "2nd Sigh"), at least up until now, maybe I need to give it another chance, like the middle section of 26/2 which I used to hate until very recently, when I finally learned to play it properly :-)

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Originally Posted by hawgdriver
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Bruce, 23/5 is magical in the right hands (Richter's)! Don't do this to me!
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I did not say that it was the Op. 23, No. 5; in fact, it isn't!

But I now blush with embarrassment, because it's not a Prelude, it's one of the ... !

Those who assumed the Sonata I alluded to was the Hammerklavier, also guessed wrong. But who cares?

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Bruce, 23/5 is magical in the right hands (Richter's)! Don't do this to me!
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I did not say that it was the Op. 23, No. 5; in fact, it isn't!

But I now blush with embarrassment, because it's not a Prelude, it's one of the ... !

Those who assumed the Sonata I alluded to was the Hammerklavier, also guessed wrong. But who cares?

Cheers!

My first thought was actually the Liszt. But Op 106 makes sense too, it has that elitist stamp of approval that is trendy to reject. Personally I'm unqualified to judge. I'm just now beginning to understand why the Goldberg variations might be worthwhile, and why Glenn Gould was the best and worst thing for that.


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Polonaise Fantasie
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How popular is the Polonaise-Fantaisie? Not saying it's obscure but it's still much less played by the great pianists compared to other Chopin works. It's one of my favorite Chopin works though, which is why I'm asking 😄


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OK, now I need to go learn Chopin op 9/2, just to see why people hate it so much. I have already played the Military Polonaise, so I've got that going for me. And I love playing that piece - when I am in the right mood.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
How popular is the Polonaise-Fantaisie? Not saying it's obscure but it's still much less played by the great pianists compared to other Chopin works. It's one of my favorite Chopin works though, which is why I'm asking 😄
In my recital going and listening experience, the Polonaise Fantasie is quite popular. It's also frequently played in competitions.

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OK, now I need to go learn Chopin op 9/2, just to see why people hate it so much. I have already played the Military Polonaise, so I've got that going for me. And I love playing that piece - when I am in the right mood.

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Yes, go for it! I used to like it (I was quite proud of being able to play it at one time) but an on-line piano seller here uses the first few bars for demonstrating the tone of acoustics and digitals - played with 'varying degrees of sensitivity.' Oddly enough, their 'easy listening' style piece is not nearly so irritating.


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Chopin Ballades for me. My Professor suggested I consider one for LRSM, but I had trouble even listening through them. They're just... boring. Long and boring. YMMV.

I also don't care for most Romantic and modern piano music as well. I personally decline to spend much time on anything after Ravel.


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Chopin 9/2 is one of the best tests you can use for piano tone. If a piano has poor sustain, you won't be able to produce the nice, even singing tone 9/2 demands. The G that is the 2nd note of the melody is right in the lion's den of piano tone.

Chopin 9/2, 10/3, or Schumann Of Strange Lands and People from Kinderscenen can separate the wheat from the chaff quite rapidly when evaluating pianos and their tone.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Chopin 9/2 is one of the best tests you can use for piano tone. If a piano has poor sustain, you won't be able to produce the nice, even singing tone 9/2 demands. The G that is the 2nd note of the melody is right in the lion's den of piano tone.

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Wow, I hadn't realised that. Some clever people at that piano store? Must admit I was more put-off by the clunking of the bass, kind of 'la da thud thud,' but I'll listen more closely next time.


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Haha, that's funny you mention that concerto, I considered writing that one down in my list (how could Mozart have written such a piece?) but didn't really want to upset anyone by saying that!


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I tense up when I get wedding invitations knowing I will probably have to hear Canon in D by Pachelbel.

LOL! I actually teach my 6th grade Music Appreciation students the name of this piece and I tell them, "I can just about guarantee that during the course of your lifetime, one day you'll be at a wedding and hear this." And then I grab a bouquet (strategically placed off to the side as the canon is playing), and right as the "really pretty" part starts with the violins in thirds, I start "walking down the aisle." As I walk, I tell them, "THIS is Andante. Casual walking speed."

I should probably get my old wedding veil out as an additional prop.

FYI: They did not play Canon in D for my wedding processional.


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Mozart concerto 24

Haha, that's funny you mention that concerto, I considered writing that one down in my list (how could Mozart have written such a piece?) but didn't really want to upset anyone by saying that!

It's one of my favorites even though I don't listen too often. I think the problem that might get in the way is that Mozart apparently did not fully write out the piano part. I guess he finished this one only 3 weeks after #23 and intended to just improvise the part in performance.

But there are many special qualities to the piece as a concept and there are really special orchestral parts. Like how some of the string sections sound ghostly in the first movement. Not to mention how beautiful the woodwinds are.

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Mozart + minor key = 😀

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We had a classical guitarist at our wedding. Think Fernando Sor. Very Scarlatti-like. We’re divorced now. I should have chosen the Pachelbel. It might have helped.

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Tchaikovsky's Dance of the sugar plum fairy. Terrible! shocked


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I am sorry to say this, but - almost everything by Ravel and Debussy. I have tried to listen seriously to their music on several occasions, but I can never see what other people see in it, and I just get bored.

As a schoolboy aged about 14, I went to a piano lesson, to find that my teacher had put Ravel's Sonatine on the music desk. This was my first encounter with Ravel. I spent some time struggling through the first three bars - my teacher said I should practice it for next week. The following lesson, I was still struggling through the first three bars - as was also the case the following week. It just seemed to me to be a meaningless collection of notes. At that point my teacher gave up and we went back to Beethoven.

I have of course heard Ravel and Debussy in recitals. But I am afraid that I always find myself sitting there looking at my watch, wishing for the end.

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Originally Posted by Animisha
Tchaikovsky's Dance of the sugar plum fairy. Terrible! shocked

I feel that way about much of the Nutcracker, although my least favorite is the snow: Ahhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh Aaahhh Ahh Ahh...


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Originally Posted by David-G
I am sorry to say this, but - almost everything by Ravel and Debussy. I have tried to listen seriously to their music on several occasions, but I can never see what other people see in it, and I just get bored.

As a schoolboy aged about 14, I went to a piano lesson, to find that my teacher had put Ravel's Sonatine on the music desk. This was my first encounter with Ravel. I spent some time struggling through the first three bars - my teacher said I should practice it for next week. The following lesson, I was still struggling through the first three bars - as was also the case the following week. It just seemed to me to be a meaningless collection of notes. At that point my teacher gave up and we went back to Beethoven.

I have of course heard Ravel and Debussy in recitals. But I am afraid that I always find myself sitting there looking at my watch, wishing for the end.

Just my opinion, of course, but Debussy is like the Chainsmokers of his time. All his music sounds the same. *insert shrug emoji*

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