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Is it just me or are these chords challenging? I can reach a tenth (round the corners or edges, can’t remember what it’s called) therefore I can reach an octave comfortably, however, toss some notes in between the octave then it’s a very challenging.

Is there just more dexterity and reach to develop as these chords are new to me?

Is it normal for an octave reach to be much harder when having these additional notes? For example, E-E two notes the reach is comfortable then EGCE boom it’s very challenging to play well and switch between.

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Yes, these chords are more challenging for everybody. The wider the chord is, the more challenging it is. They become more comfortable with experience.

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I can just do an octave, EGCE (1245) is a bit hard for me to align quickly, but not quite “very challenging” yet. And yeah it gets easier with more practice.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Yes, these chords are more challenging for everybody. The wider the chord is, the more challenging it is. They become more comfortable with experience.
Glad to hear this is normal that they are tough even if you have a decent enough reach.


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I can just do an octave, EGCE (1245) is a bit hard for me to align quickly, but not quite “very challenging” yet. And yeah it gets easier with more practice.
Cool. For me it's the CE part of the EGCE I always bump into and sometimes press C# on it too. Then my unused finger (#3) is like where do I go.

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You have to practice the four-note chords in all the keys and all inversions (possibly also the various seventh chords, depending on how advanced you are). Over time you become familiar with the shapes and your hand flexibility becomes better too.

For me they are now easy although I remember it beeing difficult, so with practice it gets easier.

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Cool. For me it's the CE part of the EGCE I always bump into and sometimes press C# on it too. Then my unused finger (#3) is like where do I go.
Hmm I wonder if this is a big-hand-only problem 😂 For me with all the fingers slightly curved they won’t touch the black keys at all, so I won’t hit C# accidentally. But of course this means if I do need to play an octave chord with black keys, that becomes extra challenging for me to reach the black keys frown

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Cool. For me it's the CE part of the EGCE I always bump into and sometimes press C# on it too. Then my unused finger (#3) is like where do I go.
Hmm I wonder if this is a big-hand-only problem 😂 For me with all the fingers slightly curved they won’t touch the black keys at all, so I won’t hit C# accidentally. But of course this means if I do need to play an octave chord with black keys, that becomes extra challenging for me to reach the black keys frown
You need to move your hand forward to play between the black keys or close to the edge of the black keys, depending on the chord. For C major, the C# should not be a problem. White key chords can be played closer to the edge of the keys.

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A useful exercise might be something like:

Play an "easier" one-octave inverted major triad (say G-C-E-G in the RH, and C-E-G-C in the LH), as a chord and arpeggiated.

Move all the notes _up_ one semitone (Ab-Db-F-Ab RH, Db-F-Ab-Db LH), play as a chord and arpeggiated).

And so on, for an octave.

. . . DON'T EXPECT TO DO THAT QUICKLY !!!<g>

It'll put your fingers into new configurations, and exercise your brain at the same time. "Thumb on black key" will get used a lot.

The most-difficult inversions are the ones which have the closest distance between 1 (thumb) and 2 (index finger).

I can't remember ever doing that exercise. It's logical, and somebody must have thought of it before.


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