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Hi! I've got another question, sorry ;-)
Do we have former GHS action digital piano owners here (I've got P-85)?
It is very simple action - presumably, I have no comparison.
How does it compare to PHA-50, GT-S, GF-C and so on... basically today's middle class pianos?
Have you notice a significant difference and "learning curve boost" after switch to better action?

As as a side note, I'm Yamaha G2 acoustic owner, looking for training gear upgrade.

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For me the GHS is unplayable. There is no point in making a comparison.

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GHS is a fine action for smaller fingers. The keys are a bit short, but in my case, all my best stuff got played on my old DGXs. Others are a bit easier and a bit better, so if you have any loose cash . . . you might like to go for it.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
For me the GHS is unplayable. There is no point in making a comparison.
So another words, anything from above mentioned will be a significant upgrade that will narrow the gap between GHS and my G2, right?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
For me the GHS is unplayable. There is no point in making a comparison.
So another words, anything from above mentioned will be a significant upgrade that will narrow the gap between GHS and my G2, right?

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Except for the GFC, I'd consider the two a tossup. The others would be better because they're longer and play more evenly.

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Originally Posted by EinLudov
Except for the GFC, I'd consider the two a tossup. The others would be better because they're longer and play more evenly.
You’re saying that new grand feel compact from Kawaii is same sh.. as my old 2007 GHS Yamaha P-85? We’re talking the same things here?

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Hello,

No, the Kawai GFC is certainly better than Yamaha's GHS.

But not on par with the likes of PHA-50.

If you can afford a piano with PHA-50 (Roland's FP-90X) that would be an unbelievable improvement in key action for you. But beware, sound is important too, even more so because you'll be playing it next to an acoustic, real piano. The FP-90X produces a modeled sound that is not to everybody's taste, it wouldn't be mine, so you really need to evaluate that for yourself before buying.

Cheers and happy decision making,

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And PHA50 isn't on a par with Hybrid Grand keyboard and Responsive Damper Action!
RDA if it works like on an acoustic, would be a game changer. Very few digitals have this; to their shame! Am I right here?

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Originally Posted by HZPiano
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No, the Kawai GFC is certainly better than Yamaha's GHS.

But not on par with the likes of PHA-50.
HZ
really? Reading the forum and numerous youtube reviews I got the impression that these are direct competitors.
Kawai CA-49 vs Roland hp-704/dp-603 vs Yamaha CLP-735 seems like a typical match. And I even thought that GHS is a little better in terms of mimicing acoustic because of the way it is built.

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If you can afford a piano with PHA-50 (Roland's FP-90X) that would be an unbelievable improvement in key action for you. But beware, sound is important too, even more so because you'll be playing it next to an acoustic, real piano. The FP-90X produces a modeled sound that is not to everybody's taste, it wouldn't be mine, so you really need to evaluate that for yourself before buying.

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No, I don't give a.. about a sound at all. Nothing from speakers can compare to "real" strings sound so no point in trying to match that. It is supposed to be a training gear for my fingers.

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Hello,

Maybe, in marketing(!) terms, those two are what you call 'direct competitors'. Or that is what some, maybe, are led to believe. But in physical(!) reality, GHS by Yamaha is OK-ish for beginners but its construction is shockingly poor.

Any more serious action would be an upgrade over GHS. If GHS is all you have felt so far (on the digital side), you are in for a positive surprise or two.

As many have already said on this forum, and right they/we are: make sure to actually feel and try the actions on your shortlist before buying anything. On my list last year were five(!) different actions which I all tested multiple times before picking the one that suits me best for now (which is Roland's PHA-4 in my case).

Cheers and happy further researching,

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Originally Posted by HZPiano
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Maybe, in marketing(!) terms, those two are what you call 'direct competitors'. Or that is what some, maybe, are led to believe. But in physical(!) reality, GHS by Yamaha is OK-ish for beginners but its construction is shockingly poor.


HZ

My mistake I said "And I even thought that GHS is a little better" I meant GF-C. You said "No, the Kawai GFC is certainly better than Yamaha's GHS.
But not on par with the likes of PHA-50" - this is where I referred as direct competitors: Kawai GF-C vs Roland PHA-50 not GHS.
You seem to rate PHA in a different league than GF-C, am I right?

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Originally Posted by bajtucha
You seem to rate PHA in a different league than GF-C, am I right?

Hello,

No that is not something I intended to say; possibly some terminology got mixed up in the conversation.

Making up a shortlist from the best you know about the currently available actions, and then go out and thoroughly try them for yourself, is where you are now and is the best advice at this stage.

That is quite a bit of work, yet it is --essential-- if you want to make a purchase that'll really be right for your purposes.

Good luck!

Cheers and happy researching,

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
For me the GHS is unplayable. There is no point in making a comparison.

Ah! But it becomes playable only when coupled with Pianoteq.. Good bed-fellows (who on earth invented that phrase?)


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
For me the GHS is unplayable. There is no point in making a comparison.
Ah! But it becomes playable only when coupled with Pianoteq. Good bed-fellows (who on earth invented that phrase?)


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