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Hi All
Ok - let's say my budget is 25k-30k

So I am looking at a brand New Boston GP178 PEII or a nicely restored but will need some work Steinway O

For the sake of argument, let's say I love the tone & Feel of BOTH Pianos, would it be more beneficial to get the brand new
Boston which will need very little work for years or the Steinway what will eventually need work in 5 - 10yrs?

Thoughts?

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I really like that Boston model. I’d probably go for that, but the devils is in the details, as ever. Kind of impossible to say. Have a tech look them both over perhaps?

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Can you put a hypothetical age on the Steinway and what work had been done to it.... Then we'll be able to give you a better hypothetical answer.....

Let me just say that if the used Steinway had been restored properly by an experienced technician, and had the right action parts in it, regulated to the right specifications for that piano, with good, properly voiced hammers, and the strings, pin block, bridges, and soundboard were all in good condition and all functional, I'd give the Steinway serious consideration.

That said, it's really hard to know without an experienced technician looking over the piano. That model of Boston can be pretty nice, and there is often an advantage to owning a new piano - not always, but often.

Also, if it's an NY O, it was either made from 2005 onwards or before 1920 (I think - someone can confirm these dates), so it's either a pretty new piano in which case at that price it's probably very good, or it's over 100 years old in which case I'd be wary of it. Wary doesn't mean I'd forget about it altogether.

Honestly though, I'd try and find a Bösendorfer I liked for the same money.

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New Boston!! The 178 is a really nice piano! I played several Boston grands during my piano search and I would have bought one if I could have afforded it!!


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I vote Boston too, I really enjoy playing them, it’s a very nice instrument. 😊👍❤️


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Another vote for a new Boston!


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Another vote for a new Boston, the few that I played I liked.


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A restored Steinway o that needs more work in the near future doesn’t sound like it’s a rebuilt piano and the price reflects it. Like Joseph has mentioned above, you’d need to know how much work is done so far and what the current condition is.
There are others beside Boston and Steinway to choose from at that budget. I happen to like Bosendorfer also.

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Hi all

Another Question/Opinion:

Do I need to get an independent technician to look over a brand new BOSTON GP178 PEII from a dealer?

I understand about a Pre-Owned Piano at a dealer but does a New Piano need to be inspected?

In my upcoming search for an upgraded Grand I have whittled things down to:
It will soon be time to venture out (after my 2nd COVID Vaccine) and begin playing, playing, playing pianos.

I have made contact with 2 or 3 very reputable piano dealers (Steinway & Mason Hamlin) - both these brands were my original
choices that I was leaning towards and have remained gravitating towards.

Steinway Model O
Steinway Model L
Mason & Hamlin Model A
New Boston Gp178 PE II


thanks to everyone for all the advice given on ALL my Forum Questions.
Please feel free to continue thoughts and comments.

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Originally Posted by K8KT
A restored Steinway o that needs more work in the near future doesn’t sound like it’s a rebuilt piano and the price reflects it. Like Joseph has mentioned above, you’d need to know how much work is done so far and what the current condition is.
This is my view also.

If this is a NY Steinway it is at least 100 years old. If it was built after 2005 when NY Steinway reintroduced the model O it would not need restoration and would cost much more. If it was a pre 1920 O and was well and fully restored it would generally cost far more than 25-30K.

So to try and offer an opinion we have to know exactly what work was done to the piano, when it was done, what other work it needs now or in the near future, and how well the restoration was done. IOW you need to get it inspected by a highly qualified tech and then report the results. As the poster I quoted suggested it's price suggests it may not have really been rebuilt. Maybe it was just refinished and the strings/hammers replaced or...?

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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
Hi all

Another Question/Opinion:

Do I need to get an independent technician to look over a brand new BOSTON GP178 PEII from a dealer?

I understand about a Pre-Owned Piano at a dealer but does a New Piano need to be inspected?
Unless one is quite expert about evaluating pianos, I think having a new piano inspected can be a good idea and costs about the same as a tuning. Although a new piano has a warranty, there can be issues with a piano that aren't covered by a warranty that the usual buyer might not be aware of. If pointed out by a tech, those might mean the piano should not be purchased or some work should be done on the piano by the dealer before the purchase. Not every problem with a piano is clearly covered by a warranty which usually covers defects in materials or workmanship.

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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
Hi All
Ok - let's say my budget is 25k-30k

So I am looking at a brand New Boston GP178 PEII or a nicely restored but will need some work Steinway O

For the sake of argument, let's say I love the tone & Feel of BOTH Pianos, would it be more beneficial to get the brand new
Boston which will need very little work for years or the Steinway what will eventually need work in 5 - 10yrs?
Is this a purely hypothetical question at this point or have you actually played the two pianos you mention?

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TY pianoloverus
this might explain why the dealers seem to be pushing me/leaning me towards a Steinway M and New Boston. Didnt realize all those facts about the O - so glad you cleared that up.

one dealer has several Model L rebuilds in the 35-39k range
I havent even gone in and seen them personally yet- but figuring there might be wiggle room to get them closer to 28-30k
IF i like the way they play/feel?

I have a few more weeks before I can safely venture out wink
can you tell I am getting anxious anxious anxious

I have a lot of confidence in my 2 Steinway Dealers that I am in contact with - very very nice/honest with me


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What if you don’t like any of the pianos? That could happen.

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that's a real possibility - then I wait and have them contact me
if and when others come in.

also I have an Ace in the Hole card
I may be heading up to the Philadelphia area come this summer
If I don't find anything
I will be heading to one of the most reputable and largest piano dealers/rebuilders/sellers in the philadelphia area

Right RICH?

Cunningham Piano is THE Place and that aspect would then
add the Cunningham Grand into the mix as an additional option for a NEW Grand.

or possibly even consider heading down to Atlanta to PianoWorks ---- I have seen a lot of evidence of great work they are doing.
Check out demonstrations on YouTube - they work miracles with pianos, making many of them sound AWESOME.
Thanks to their craftsmen AND a little to Derek Vann.

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It is sort of like comparing a used Lexus to a new Kia. A new car may be less trouble the first several years, but a Kia will never be a Lexus. You always get far more value buying used, especially with a piano that depreciates as fast as a Steinway. Some people, however, just prefer brand new things and that makes them happy. Play and test them both extensively, as well as many others, and buy the one which speaks to you.

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I’m not typically a Steinway person but if it were me, I’d focus on the Steinway L’s and M&H A. Both are excellent instruments, it all depends on the condition and if you like the Steinway or M&H sound. Instead of a new Boston I’d just shop for a new Kawai. The Kawai craftsman make the Boston.


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Hypothetical
I have not entered a Showroom yet!
but will be in a few weeks


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j&j - yes I did know that

fyi - my focus is truly on finding the right Steinway or M&H
the New Boston is the final option and a decent one.


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