2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
77 members (anotherscott, Bernard40, Alex Hutor, 36251, 8ude, Animisha, adamcz, bobrunyan, Andrew E., 11 invisible), 896 guests, and 646 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 4 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 66
H
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
H
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by _sem_
Originally Posted by DrTeeth
...I'm betting the voices are not on the keyboard and rely on the app since they are not in the manual. I wonder if that makes the app really large in size?

GM2 are not high-quality patches that would need lots of memory. They're surely onboard already in the FP30, but only available for midi playback. Those 3rd-party apps just receive midi notes and send them back with a different midi voice code.
Maybe this has something to do with marketing, because the pricier models "must" have more features and higher specs. Though in practice, the FP90 has some 300 GM voices located at the bottom of "Others" where few ever delve. There is one useful e-piano that sounds less baroque than the main ones (no stereo panning).

I love how there's crazy sh*t like laser guns, explosions, cars speeding by, rain falling, wind, crystal glasses... as well as more realistic, yet still unusual stuff like pan flute, English horn and accordion. I wonder who actually ever used those things. I admit I like to fiddle around sometimes, crystal-glass Einaudi actually doesn't sound too bad XD

Last edited by Hecarim; 03/03/21 07:53 PM.
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Don't worry, when we get there, it will be "hey google, turn on the piano with concert grand layered with strings"

Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by _sem_
Originally Posted by DrTeeth
...I'm betting the voices are not on the keyboard and rely on the app since they are not in the manual. I wonder if that makes the app really large in size?

GM2 are not high-quality patches that would need lots of memory. They're surely onboard already in the FP30, but only available for midi playback. Those 3rd-party apps just receive midi notes and send them back with a different midi voice code.
Maybe this has something to do with marketing, because the pricier models "must" have more features and higher specs. Though in practice, the FP90 has some 300 GM voices located at the bottom of "Others" where few ever delve. There is one useful e-piano that sounds less baroque than the main ones (no stereo panning).

Wow, that's really weird. Maybe you just connect the app, select a voice, and it sends midi data to the keyboard to change the voice. If it did it note by note that would be kind of crazy. Maybe they did it that way to avoid complains over tedious scrolling as was suggested above.

Still, surprised it is not advertised for the fp-30x. Did fp-30 also have "styles" (accompaniment)?

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 820
T
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
T
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 820
The FP-30 has drum patterns. Not really full-on accompaniment, unless I've forgotten.


Decent upright bassist; aspiring decent pianist
Present: Roland DP-603, Roland RD-2000, Yamaha MX61, Casio CDP-130
Past: Roland FP-30, Casio PX-160, Casio PX-830
Etc.: PianoTeq Stage 7 (Bechstein, Bluethner, U4), Roland KC-80
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but I'm actually new to digital pianos (digital music, VSTs, etc) and from our conversation above, I'm wondering what people really mean when they say the FP-30 has the GM2 on board. From what I have read, GM2 is a specification about how instruments should be coded in midi so you always can trigger a specific voice with the same midi code.

I'm wondering, when someone says that a keyboard has the GM2 library, are the GM2 voices from the same source samples for every keyboard? For instance, are GM2 voices the same samples for Roland, Yamaha, Casio, etc.

TIA!

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 226
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 226
Originally Posted by DrTeeth
Don't worry, when we get there, it will be "hey google, turn on the piano with concert grand layered with strings"

Really, don't worry. Once we're all connected up to the Internet through our brains with AI you won't even need a piano. You'll just be waving your fingers around in the air and hearing the sounds in your head. You won't have to slave over scales or Hanon, work your way up through the grades or learn pieces bar by bar, you'll just be able to say "OK CyBorg, play Rachmaninov No 2, Artur Rubinstein style" and away you go.

Sorry, for cynicism. Just longing for my German acoustic to be delivered. This other stuff has gone way too far and for what? It isn't real and it is way over my head. I don't like the way the world is going.


"Study Bach: there you will find everything" - Johannes Brahms.
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495


at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro

Adult beginner
Hugh Sung, Popular Piano course (in progress)
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
hmmmmm....he said the app is "bug free"

Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 301
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 301
Nice review, though it left several questions unanswered.

As much as I love my Kawai ES920, I have to hand it to Roland for the features they're able to include for a $1099 price. Of course price wise the real comparison is with the es520.

Apparently this model has
- a built in audio interface, like most Yamahas do these days (this needs to become a standard feature!),
- a mic input with a top panel volume control- love it!
- 360? sounds, though the highlighted main sounds appear to be 79, which is still twice what the es920 offers. This review doesn't mention if the remaining 279 tones are GM sounds: 16 piano tones, 18 electric piano tones, 18 organ tones, 27 string tones, 279 other tones-

Cons:
- weighs 42.6 pounds, 5 pounds more than even the es920, which is already past my personal limit
- an action that is not on a par with the es520/es920 (based on reviews I've read). This alone is a disqualifier.

Like the 30x, this'd go to the top of the list if the action was on a par with Kawai.


Randy
Kawai ES110/ES920, Casio CT-X5000
Flute / Alto recorder / Melodica / iPad music apps
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 3
J
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
J
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 3
I just got my FP-30X, and it exceeds my expectations as an intermediate player. Here are some technical details and my setup which some people might find useful:

I can confirm that the FP-30X has a two-way USB audio interface. Windows detects it as a 16-bit 44100 Hz output (for playing computer audio) and a 16-bit 44100 Hz input (for recording piano audio). These bit depths and sample rates do not appear to be configurable, but they should be fine for most purposes.

This piano supports variable pedaling with the 1/4" TRS jack, which I use with the DP-10 without issue. It will produce sounds of partially damped strings as well as sympathetic resonances. (The piano came with a DP-2 footswitch, but I do not use it.)

I have been using this piano with Pianoteq, and this opens up a lot of possibilities. Using the USB audio, I configure Pianoteq to use the piano speakers (in exclusive mode for low latency), then I press Function-F#1 to disable the Roland piano sound. Once I do this, it's like having a completely different piano.

I can send notes with the entire velocity range of 1-127, though 127 is very hard for me to reach. I can get pretty fast repeated notes, as it appears that a key can be retriggered without resetting to its rest position first.

The FP-30X also supports note-off velocity, which I've never had before in a digital piano. Pianoteq can use this parameter to control how quickly the virtual damper deadens the string, and it's pretty neat, though I'm not sure exactly what range I'd like for this (note-off velocities close to 1 cause the string to ring for quite a while; setting the minimum to 10 is what I have now).

While it's not as fancy as the FP-60X or FP-90X, I'm very pleased with my purchase. It ticks all of my boxes, it was a very reasonable price, and I'm having a lot of fun with it!

Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 299
P
Full Member
Online Content
Full Member
P
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 299
Thanks for posting. Enjoy your new piano.

Roland could do a better job of highlighting the usb audio capability.


FP-90x, PX-330
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 432
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 432
How do you like VST sound through Roland speakers? Is it acceptable? Regarding reaching vel 127 , you can try setting Light touch in FP30X and adjust PTQ curve to be 'harder'. I do this with FP10.


Ars non habet osorem nisi ignorantem
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
And yet another ("sales") video, this time from Tony from Bonners Music:



at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro

Adult beginner
Hugh Sung, Popular Piano course (in progress)
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 6,591
C
6000 Post Club Member
Online Content
6000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 6,591
Originally Posted by DrTeeth
Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but I'm actually new to digital pianos (digital music, VSTs, etc) and from our conversation above, I'm wondering what people really mean when they say the FP-30 has the GM2 on board. From what I have read, GM2 is a specification about how instruments should be coded in midi so you always can trigger a specific voice with the same midi code.

I'm wondering, when someone says that a keyboard has the GM2 library, are the GM2 voices from the same source samples for every keyboard? For instance, are GM2 voices the same samples for Roland, Yamaha, Casio, etc.

TIA!

The instruments have the same MIDI codes -- that's what the GM2 standard specifies.

But the _samples_ -- the precise sound of "Reed Organ" or "Helicopter" -- are specific to the manufacturer. And there's no guarantee that they're the same across different models from the same maker.


. Charles
---------------------------
PX-350 / microKorg XL+ / Pianoteq
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 301
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 301
Originally Posted by JesterMusician
I just got my FP-30X, and it exceeds my expectations as an intermediate player. Here are some technical details and my setup which some people might find useful:

I can confirm that the FP-30X has a two-way USB audio interface. Windows detects it as a 16-bit 44100 Hz output (for playing computer audio) and a 16-bit 44100 Hz input (for recording piano audio). These bit depths and sample rates do not appear to be configurable, but they should be fine for most purposes.

This piano supports variable pedaling with the 1/4" TRS jack, which I use with the DP-10 without issue. It will produce sounds of partially damped strings as well as sympathetic resonances. (The piano came with a DP-2 footswitch, but I do not use it.)

I have been using this piano with Pianoteq, and this opens up a lot of possibilities. Using the USB audio, I configure Pianoteq to use the piano speakers (in exclusive mode for low latency), then I press Function-F#1 to disable the Roland piano sound. Once I do this, it's like having a completely different piano.

I can send notes with the entire velocity range of 1-127, though 127 is very hard for me to reach. I can get pretty fast repeated notes, as it appears that a key can be retriggered without resetting to its rest position first.

The FP-30X also supports note-off velocity, which I've never had before in a digital piano. Pianoteq can use this parameter to control how quickly the virtual damper deadens the string, and it's pretty neat, though I'm not sure exactly what range I'd like for this (note-off velocities close to 1 cause the string to ring for quite a while; setting the minimum to 10 is what I have now).

While it's not as fancy as the FP-60X or FP-90X, I'm very pleased with my purchase. It ticks all of my boxes, it was a very reasonable price, and I'm having a lot of fun with it!

Congrats!

Question on the action. What DPs are you familiar with, and how does this one feel to you? Specs wise, as I outlined in a post above this one, I'm MUCH rather have the features of the 30x or 60x (compared to comparably priced ES110 or ES520), but from what i've heard the action on these boards are relatively harder/stiffer to play. Some people don't care, but as someone who loves the super light action of the es110, this is a deciding factor for someone like me, so I'm curious how you like it and what you're used to.

Yes, having a built-in interface is flat out great! Enjoy!!!


Randy
Kawai ES110/ES920, Casio CT-X5000
Flute / Alto recorder / Melodica / iPad music apps
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 3
J
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
J
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
How do you like VST sound through Roland speakers? Is it acceptable? Regarding reaching vel 127 , you can try setting Light touch in FP30X and adjust PTQ curve to be 'harder'. I do this with FP10.

I have the piano on a QuikLok WS-550, so the downward-facing speakers are not obstructed. There is a setting that will adjust the output of the speakers if they were, such as if the piano were on a desk; this affects USB audio as well.

The speakers are alright. Personally, I think Pianoteq actually sounds better than the built-in piano sound through its speakers. That said, I usually use headphones, and if I had better external speakers, I would probably use those instead.

I'm sticking close to the defaults in Pianoteq for now, but I have changed the velocity curves and other settings to my taste. I don't think I'll adjust the key touch on the piano except if I were playing offline: I can make equivalent adjustments with the curve, and reaching maximum velocity is still possible, but not something I'd want to do often.

Originally Posted by Randyman
Congrats!

Question on the action. What DPs are you familiar with, and how does this one feel to you? Specs wise, as I outlined in a post above this one, I'm MUCH rather have the features of the 30x or 60x (compared to comparably priced ES110 or ES520), but from what i've heard the action on these boards are relatively harder/stiffer to play. Some people don't care, but as someone who loves the super light action of the es110, this is a deciding factor for someone like me, so I'm curious how you like it and what you're used to.

Yes, having a built-in interface is flat out great! Enjoy!!!

In the past, I had a Casio CDP-220R, whose action felt kind of heavy to me. The previous keyboard I used was an Akai MPK-88, and its action was also kind of heavy. It had aftertouch, as well as a bunch of features that were useful for working in a DAW, but I wanted something more piano-like, which led me to this. I think this piano is lighter than the other keyboards I've owned.

I tried this piano and a bunch of others in the store before buying it. It wasn't the lightest action among those I tested out (the Casio PX-S1000 I think was lighter), but it definitely had the most satisfying action for its price. They had a cross-section demonstration of the keys so you can see and feel how the escapement works. Unfortunately, it seems there are no Kawai pianos for sale in my area, so I can't compare it to those.

Last edited by JesterMusician; 03/06/21 11:47 PM.
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,563
3000 Post Club Member
Online Content
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,563
Originally Posted by DrTeeth
I'm wondering, when someone says that a keyboard has the GM2 library, are the GM2 voices from the same source samples for every keyboard? For instance, are GM2 voices the same samples for Roland, Yamaha, Casio, etc.

TIA!
No, GM and GM2 only gives you a list of instruments (clarinet, violin...) associated to numbers. Then a GM2 MIDI file will be correctly played on any GM instruments in the sense that what should be played by the clarinet is really played you clarinet samples.

However, it is up to the instrument maker to bring its own samples. A GM file played by two different instruments could render differently.

I have made a comparison of GM samples (some free, some others commercial).

http://www.sinerj.org/~loyer/GeneralMIDI

Last edited by Frédéric L; 03/07/21 05:11 AM.

http://www.sinerj.org/
http://humeur-synthe.sinerj.org/
Yamaha CLP150, Bechstein Digital Grand, Garritan CFX, Ivory II pianos, Galaxy pianos, EWQL Pianos, Native-Instrument The Definitive Piano Collection, Soniccouture Hammersmith, Truekeys, Pianoteq
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 22
Thanks and wow, cool project!

Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
Stu's done another comparison video: internal speakers vs. line out (this time on an FP60X).



at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro

Adult beginner
Hugh Sung, Popular Piano course (in progress)
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 495
And yet another comparison video by Stu from Merriam Music: FP-60X vs. FP-60.



at home: Kawai MP11SE; Yamaha LG800; Yamaha HS7; Ultimate MS-100B; Sennheiser HD558 | office: MP7SE; K&M 18820; Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro

Adult beginner
Hugh Sung, Popular Piano course (in progress)
Page 4 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
Pianos - Organs - & Keyboards, Oh My!
Our Fall 2021 Free Newsletter is Out , see it here!
---------------------
Selling my Hammond & Leslie!
---------------------
My first professionally recorded piece
---------------------
Visit Maine, Meet Mr. Piano World
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Yundi Li arrested
by Sidokar - 10/26/21 05:36 AM
A thought experiment
by cygnusdei - 10/26/21 03:58 AM
Modern U where is the sample folder located?
by MooganDavid - 10/25/21 11:33 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics209,747
Posts3,142,108
Members103,117
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5