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A very interesting concerto collaboration with Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli:


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Here is the great Leopold Godowsky playing a Chopin Nocturne which shows a more reflective and less virtuoso aspect of his playing:


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Originally Posted by grand_BB_71
Here is the great Leopold Godowsky playing a Chopin Nocturne which shows a more reflective and less virtuoso aspect of his playing:

What I find interesting from listening to that recording is that some pianists, like Godowsky, had completely abandoned the stylistic tendencies(extreme rubato, asychronization of hands, etc.) that other pianists of his era practiced.

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One of the best recordings I have ever heard of Chopin's Barcarolle, Op. 60:


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My take on the Golden Age pianists is that there are few who I regularly still listen to. With the huge range of choice available on youtube I can often find better examples played by less exalted musicians! The main exception is Sviatoslav Richter, who is kind of my only piano "idol"...(composers aside)

When it comes to many of the golden age pianists I regularly find pieces where I feel like I'm "paying for the name", so to speak. They almost take too many liberties...

Recently, when I was casting around for a nice version of Chopin 48-1 I started off with the "Golden Age" pianists, but could not find any which I really liked. I found Rubinstein's version particularly grating, with some, frankly quite weird, timing choices in the first section.
After running out of golden-agers I tried some more recent versions by Lisiecki, Lisitsa etc, but just didn't enjoy them.

In the end I chose Seong Jin Cho's rendition, recorded at the Chopin competition, as my preferred version. (for now at least)


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My take on the Golden Age pianists is that there are few who I regularly still listen to. With the huge range of choice available on youtube I can often find better examples played by less exalted musicians! The main exception is Sviatoslav Richter, who is kind of my only piano "idol"...(composers aside)

When it comes to many of the golden age pianists I regularly find pieces where I feel like I'm "paying for the name", so to speak. They almost take too many liberties...

Recently, when I was casting around for a nice version of Chopin 48-1 I started off with the "Golden Age" pianists, but could not find any which I really liked. I found Rubinstein's version particularly grating, with some, frankly quite weird, timing choices in the first section.
After running out of golden-agers I tried some more recent versions by Lisiecki, Lisitsa etc, but just didn't enjoy them.

In the end I chose Seong Jin Cho's rendition, recorded at the Chopin competition, as my preferred version. (for now at least)

There are plenty of golden age pianists who didn't take "too many liberties", as you describe it. Arthur de Greef and Emil von Sauer, for example. (Both happen to be Liszt pupils; de Greef was Grieg's favorite pianist!)

I particularly like Sauer. He's the only pianist I actually enjoy hearing Liszt's La Campanella etude from. His interpretation of the Liszt E-flat concerto is also excellent.




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Those are both excellent examples, and not someone whose work I'm familiar with. (possibly for the reason I mention below)

I certainly don't want to disparage any of the greats I should add. Musical taste is a fickle thing, but virtuosity is absolute.

This may be a minor point, but I tend to listen to music on headphones a lot, and I do find the poor quality of some older recordings distracting, which tips the scales in favour of more recent recordings for me personally.


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I only listened to the first minute of both Sauer videos and thought they were quite poor. The Campanella sounds like he is struggling even at a much slower speed than most play it. It's possible he was quite old and past his prime when these pieces were recorded.

I just checked and he recorded the concerto at 77 so he can be forgiven for the slow tempo and technical difficulties.

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Alicia de Larrocha is wonderful for Mozart. Here is a perfect album and a two-fer with another pianist from this time period:

Alicia de Larrocha / André Previn - Mozart Sonata for two pianos, K.448



The other piece on the album is a favorite of mine:
Alicia de Larrocha / André Previn - Mozart Concerto for two pianos, K.365



K.448 is new to me after it was posted by a member here. I think this version here is in it's own category of excellence. I could be wrong but I think the original album is from 1977.

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Ironically, there are many details that I too do not AGREE with regarding Hofmann's performance of the 4th Ballade although I have definitely been taken in by the overall conception / interpretation that is very unique to his truly "old school" free-wheeling style of playing which no one else does, anymore. This is the kind of playing that the younger generation of pianists today simply do not understand.

Since this thread seems to still be alive, I thought I'd share a couple of videos of one living pianist who I think does get close to that "old school" sensibility. See if you don't agree...




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Here is a performance of the Chopin Berceuse, Op. 57, by Walter Gieseking:


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Here's rare footage of Paderewski playing Beethoven:


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Here is a legendary performance of Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody and note as to how Paderewski adds in his own "cadenza" into the score:


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Paderewski was so amazing.

Not really relevant to anything here but in the ‘80s I played dozens of jazz engagements standing next to the Weber concert piano Paderewski used on his 1907-08 tour of North America. I was playing upright bass. The piano he used on the whole tour was auctioned off and ended up in Vancouver, at Cecil Green Manor. It had a brass plaque on it about Paderewski.

I believe the Weber is now in California. It is a huge grand and beautifully restored.

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Sure it is!!! thumb

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....in the ‘80s I played dozens of jazz engagements standing next to the Weber concert piano Paderewski used on his 1908-10 tour of North America. I was playing upright bass. The piano he used on the whole tour was auctioned off and ended up in Vancouver, at Cecil Green Manor.

I believe the Weber is now in California. It is a huge grand and beautifully restored.

I would have hated for you not to tell that!

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Originally Posted by grand_BB_71
Here is a legendary performance of Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody and note as to how Paderewski adds in his own "cadenza" into the score:


Also, take note after the 4:50 mark the young child who is enjoying her concert time candies (with the mother smiling accordingly) as Paderewski continues to play.

Have to admit that at 62 yrs. old (myself) the great Polish master plays this piece far better than I can! grin

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Originally Posted by grand_BB_71
Here is a legendary performance of Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody and note as to how Paderewski adds in his own "cadenza" into the score:

This video is famous only because its part of a movie. Paderewski was old and way past his prime. The performance is important historically but objectively it's simply bad.

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Originally Posted by grand_BB_71
Here is a legendary performance of Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody and note as to how Paderewski adds in his own "cadenza" into the score:

This video is famous only because its part of a movie. Paderewski was old and way past his prime. The performance is important historically but objectively it's simply bad.
I have to disagree. I enjoyed it. Obviously the sound quality was bad. Perhaps you missed the facial expressions?


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Here is a great "live" concert from Amsterdam performed by Shura Cherkassky that dates from 1992 which also includes Chopin's Ballade No. 4:


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