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PW member Dore has created a new virtual instrument called The Experience.
It is binaural ... which is not common and is most welcome.
It also has the unique ability to sense the players head position so that the sound field tracks side-to-side head movement.

His preliminary releases run on Kontakt or Sforzando. I don't use the latter, but I've been using Kontakt for nearly a decade.

Problem: His library won't run on my version of Kontakt. I have version 6.1.11, released in 2019.
It puzzles me why every new instrument for Kontakt requires yet another upgrade to my Kontakt software.
Time after time after time after time.
It's annoying.

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Where is this?

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I haven't released it yet. I was looking for some volunteers to try it out.

The tough part is that I've used python and smartphones to make a free head tracking routine that I need people to test before I release.

If you're interested, PM me.


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@np: Dore showed me a video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/uBhZPGTQ0X4

It demonstrates the binaural sound of his new virtual instrument.

He wants help evaluating it ... but it won't run on my version of Kontakt.
He has a Sforzando-compatible version, but I don't run Sforzando.
So I'm not able to help. But perhaps others can and will.

I have to give Dore credit. Most home-grown freebie instruments are crap. Really bad. Worse than Pianoteq. (And that's saying something, eh?)
But Dore's instrument sounds really good. AFAIK that's unheard of in a home-grown production.
So I think it's worth a try, if your setup is compatible.

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That demo sounds great Dore; I'll give it a go.

Do you think the realism is due principally to the binaural effect or the positional tracking?

Is the tracking on the x, y, and z axes?

This is the normal youtube link:

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBhZPGTQ0X4][/url]

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Absolutely the realism is due to both. If you don't do the head tracking and just use the modulation wheel, you can hear the potential, but if you do the position tracking and calibrate well, it's extremely realistic.

I first set out to do this as an experiment and ended up with essentially recreating the experience of playing my piano. For me it's so realistic that now I want to find other PW members in the SF Bay Area to try to recreate their pianos. Basically, I want to create a personal library of different piano makes. The only way to be sure its authentic is for me to make it and compare it myself.

My goal here is not to make the perfect piano - it's to faithfully recreate pianos in their environment, including their flaws and the acoustics of the room. So I'm not planning to add any sound adjustment knobs or sliders. if you don't like how loud my key release and dampers sound, well, its exactly like my piano and I'm not changing it. You don't go to someone's house, play their piano and then remark about how you'd like to increase the treble or bass with an EQ...

Anyway, in the hopes of getting it distributed (eventually) to more people, I've got alot of work to do to transfer it into SFZ format. But first I'm using Kontakt to find and solve the minute problems.


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You're amazing, Dore! I was astounded when you sampled your M&H a few months ago. What an accomplishment! But now, this! I'm in awe! Keep up the good work. You're making the world a happier place! thumb


MacMacMac, isn't Forzando free? I think you can obtain a copy pretty easily.


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@Ralphiano: Yes, it's free. But I don't like running multiple platforms.
I mostly gave up on VST hosts when I bought a successive run of good Kontakt-based instruments. I'm all Kontakt these days.
Adding a new platform is unappealing.

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If I don't get the SFZ file working well enough, I was considering uploading pictures of the Kontakt settings so that someone could re-create it in other platforms (including earlier versions of Kontakt)


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Originally Posted by Dore
My goal here is not to make the perfect piano - it's to faithfully recreate pianos in their environment, including their flaws and the acoustics of the room. So I'm not planning to add any sound adjustment knobs or sliders. if you don't like how loud my key release and dampers sound, well, its exactly like my piano and I'm not changing it.

I love this! Realism beats artificial beauty for me too.

This is the sort of imaginative grass-root effort that could actually change the course of the whole industry over time, and technologically the world is ready for this. Keep going!


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Interesting!

I don't understand the head position tracking, wouldn't that require a piece of hardware that can track your head position, like vr goggles?

Come to think of it, a virtual reality experience playing a piano vst could actually be quite cool! Which company will be the first to really place the player at the steinway in the concert hall, playing for a huge crowd? laugh

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Hello Dore,

Congratulations on your (ongoing) achievement!

And, surely, a big 👍 for your commitment to authenticity.

Cheers and happy developing,

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Originally Posted by U3piano
d the head position tracking, wouldn't that require a piece of hardware that can track your head position, like vr goggles?

Nevermind, didn't watch the video.

Amazing idea!

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Very nice idea, but to be complete, you should add the coughs from the audience in the right speaker... laugh

The only thing I'm worried about is to have a smartphone fixed on top of my head for hours... It could fry my (already poor) brain cells!

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
The only thing I'm worried about is to have a smartphone fixed on top of my head for hours... It could fry my (already poor) brain cells!
What about a helmet ⛑?

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
The only thing I'm worried about is to have a smartphone fixed on top of my head for hours... It could fry my (already poor) brain cells!
What about a helmet ⛑?
So, I put a smartphone on top of my head, under the headband of the headphones, and on top of all that I have to put an helmet? Are you crazy?? What if my beloved helmet breaks due to electromagnetic waves from the smartphone???

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Very nice idea, but to be complete, you should add the coughs from the audience in the right speaker... laugh
You can run "random" concert hall ambient noises whilst playing any VI:

1. Free concert hall ambient noises (chair noise, creaking, breathing, walking,noise floor etc.)
https://www.beladmedia.com/scoring-noise-free/
https://www.beladmedia.com/scoring-noise-pro/

2. Free "haphazard" sound generator. The software is a bit buggy but is the idea.
youtube.com/watch?v=cBGcLXL6Cng
https://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/publications/taps_icmc2006.pdf
https://taps.cs.princeton.edu/

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This tech could easily implemented by DP manufacturers by simply making a set of headphones with sensors and a proprietary connector.

In fact, Apples latest headphones already have these sensors and do a similar thing with movies. But I don't own any apple products myself. And I doubt they'd let a smalltime developer like me access to the sensor data.

Anyway, as I was experimenting earlier this year, I gained confidence in my chances of success when I found this video.

https://hear360.co/LAPhil/

I even used the audio from this recording in kontakt to test my phone sensor script be fore sampling my piano.


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Originally Posted by Dore
The tough part is that I've used python and smartphones to make a free head tracking routine that I need people to test before I release.

A number of products from Bose incorporated complete IMUs over the last few years, under an initiative called "Bose AR". Unfortunately they've given up on it and stopped putting them into new products (and might even be dropping it from models that had it?), but just for development, grabbing a set might be interesting?

The IMUs were in all of the Bose Frames and 700s, at least some of the QC35s.

Here's some Github repo on it:

https://github.com/zakaton/Bose-Frames-Web-SDK

The smoothness and responsiveness you see in their little video animations was representative of the behavior I saw in preproduction hardware.

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Great! Hope I can finally sit down and also try it out... hope I can make a recording and share my experience.


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