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Sometime ago I bought a charity shop 'toy' keyboard for my daughter to have fun with and try. It turns out she's not that interested (possibly after hearing my attempts).
But it has rekindling my interest in playing- I gave up 35 years ago!
The keyboard is pretty poor, and if I'm to continue i'll need something better.
I am happy to buy 2nd hand. But is it unrealistic to get anything useable/half decent on a tight budget of £300?
It seems with keyboards I'm paying for a lot of fancy sounds and sampling facilities that I probably won't use. However if a keyboard or DP has a learning app/page Turner type facility to link in with a tablet that would be great and I totally understand the desire to have weighted and sensitive keys. But I'm not going to be layering sounds etc...
I don't have the room for a real upright in our current home.
Shall I muddle on with my crappy 4 octave keyboard until I'm able to buy something much better...or is there an possibility I could find something 2nd hand that will feel and sound more like a real piano at this budget?
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Originally Posted by Geo70
[...] is there an possibility I could find something 2nd hand that will feel and sound more like a real piano at this budget?
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"More like a real piano" sure. Maybe not "like a real piano" but close enough.

Some of the really cheap ones would be the various Casio CDP models. If it's 200 series (CDP-230R etc.) it has plenty of sounds and rhytms too. The 100 series was a more simple one.

Casio has the Privia range too i.e. models with PX in the name as in PX-160 etc. Since their 300 series they've had slightly improved key actions from the CDP models and the latter ones (x50 series and onwards) will have a more realistic piano sound too.

Pretty much anything with 88 keys and hammer action is going to "more like a real piano".

Old Yamaha Clavinovas can be okay for a beginner too if they are in a good condition and the seller isn't stuck in the past in terms of the price as in "It cost £2500 brand new 20 years ago, so I'll need to get £2000 for it." Those people do exist...

Some slighly older Kawais can be pretty good too. I have an ES-100 and I'd say it's worth ~£300 or so. (If I were in UK and if were selling it.) Same goes for Rolands and Korgs too: If they aren't really old they may be just fine.

But the problem with used digital pianos is that there are so many various models and it's difficult to tell which are the good ones and what are they really worth.

Then of course e.g. Gear4Music has some really cheap brand new ones. Seem like the SDP-2 has the better piano sound but the SDP-3 only has a real hammer action, so the SDP-2 will feel lighter than a real piano. Which isn't necessarily a problem. It depends on what you want.

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I don't know if UK has costco, or is Testco similar...
But Canada costco has something like this:
https://www.costco.ca/casio-cdp-s100---digital-piano-with-bench.product.100652274.html

I think that would fit your budget.

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The Casio CDP-S100 is little over £300 in UK without any extras like stand or bench.

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£300 only just buys you hammer action keys but just around/above that £300 point there are a few to consider (I have been!). Here are my notes at the moment. The final column is the best price I have come across so far in the UK:
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FP30X:     €699 ($848, £609)    £612
ES110:     €579 ($702, £505)    £499
P125:      €569 ($690, £496)    £520 (£440 for 73 key 121)
D1:        €565 ($685, £492)    £459 (guitarguitar)
FP10:      €498 ($604, £434)    £455 (wembley)
CDP-S350:                       £425 (bax)
P45:       €426 ($516, £371)    £349 (refurb) £369 (music room)
B2:        €399 ($484, £348)    £319 (andertons)
CDP-S100:  €365 ($442, £318)    £297

SL88                   £342     £336
Hammer 88              £346     £349 (absolute)
Recital Pro            £320     £319 (amazon)
So if you can stretch just that bit beyond £300 to around the £350+ mark you are basically looking at:

Yamaha P45
Korg B2
Casio CDP-S100
Alesis Recital Pro
Studiologic SL88 (just keys - need separate sound source)
M-Audio Hammer 88 (ditto)

Of that list, personally I have pretty much made my mind up (based on a lot of research , esp Youtube) to go with the Korg B2 but as many people here will tell you you really need to try the things to find something you personally like the action on. So, as I've now had the first vaccination, I'm basically going to wait for 2nd vaccination and for piano shops to re-open so I can actually venture out and try these things in person.

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I bought a Casio cdp s100 from eBay uk for £264 about 18 months ago but sold it

Built in speakers and an audio in

Solid build nice starter board with sheet music stand

10 sounds

Yes it’s worth it

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Thank you all... some useful information and keyboards to look up.
Since my post i notice a Korg Electric Piano SP170S for sale ... anyone know much about these? I think it's about 3 years old... but tell me if I'm wrong. It looks in excellent condition, but without a stand.

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SP-170s was released in 2010. No MIDI or audio recorder, no transpose, no pitch adjustment, no rhythms.

https://buydigitalpiano.com/korg-sp-170s-review

https://www.korg.com/caen/products/digitalpianos/sp_170s/page_2.php

I'd be inclined to get something more recent. If the price is really low, and money is tight, it would be OK.

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Thank you. I thought it might have been newer than that. The pitch adjustment is useful, but it comes with no pedal either... I wouldn't be bothered about rhythms.
It's £150...

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Check the price of an M-Audio SP-2 "sustain pedal" -- that's what you need. It should be about £10.


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Hi Guys!

Regarding the second hand Korg-SP-170s I found one at $393 or £283.64 which is in the OPs budget.
Assuming, keys hammer-action , buttons, in/out are functional; with 85/100 on looks.

Is it worth buying? I'm gonna use it primarily as a controller for my piano VSTIs and Sforzando at home
The onboard sound will still be used on the road when bring PC/Laptop is out of the option, but will be jacking it up on the on-site sound system.

Btw, it has MIDI out, but no USB. Also transpose, pitch, and recording have software solutions via the VSTs or SFZ players


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Korg SP170 is adequate, but I think $393 is too much. IIRC, they were $499 new, and sometimes on sale for $399, and it's a pretty old model at this point, it came out about 10 years ago (at least). Which doesn't make it bad, but if I bought a DP 10 years ago, I wouldn't expect to get back almost what I paid. If he'd take, say, $250, at least you'd have a decent shot at getting your $ back out of it if you wanted to upgrade in the future. If you're looking for used stuff on a sub-$400 budget, I'd keep my eyes out for a cheaper SP-170, or a Yamaha P-85/P-95/P-35/P-45, or a Casio Privia PX-anything or CDP-anything. You should be able to find something at least $100 cheaper than the asking price for that Korg.

But you also mentioned using it on the road and plugging it into an on-site sound system... in that case, if you can find a model with 1/4" Line Out jacks (and not just stereo headphone outs), that would be preferable... but harder to find in your budget.

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Given that Geo70 hasn't posted in this thread (or anywhere on PW) in nearly seven weeks, I suspect he'll not see any further replies.

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...though my reply was actually to Josh's post right above mine, about whether an SP-170 was worth $393.

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Hi Guys!

Regarding the second hand Korg-SP-170s I found one at $393 or £283.64 which is in the OPs budget.
Assuming, keys hammer-action , buttons, in/out are functional; with 85/100 on looks.

Is it worth buying? I'm gonna use it primarily as a controller for my piano VSTIs and Sforzando at home
The onboard sound will still be used on the road when bring PC/Laptop is out of the option, but will be jacking it up on the on-site sound system.

Btw, it has MIDI out, but no USB. Also transpose, pitch, and recording have software solutions via the VSTs or SFZ players


Thank you guys...
Korg SP170 is adequate, but I think $393 is too much. IIRC, they were $499 new, and sometimes on sale for $399, and it's a pretty old model at this point, it came out about 10 years ago (at least). Which doesn't make it bad, but if I bought a DP 10 years ago, I wouldn't expect to get back almost what I paid. If he'd take, say, $250, at least you'd have a decent shot at getting your $ back out of it if you wanted to upgrade in the future. If you're looking for used stuff on a sub-$400 budget, I'd keep my eyes out for a cheaper SP-170, or a Yamaha P-85/P-95/P-35/P-45, or a Casio Privia PX-anything or CDP-anything. You should be able to find something at least $100 cheaper than the asking price for that Korg.

But you also mentioned using it on the road and plugging it into an on-site sound system... in that case, if you can find a model with 1/4" Line Out jacks (and not just stereo headphone outs), that would be preferable... but harder to find in your budget.


Hi anotherscott, thanks for your reply. Didn't know it was only $499 new. Guess I'll have to pass on that offer then.
I'll be waiting patiently for a newer piano but still around $350.


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