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Hi.

I've playing the piano for several years, on the classical side. I'm also interested in harmony and music theory. I was watching yesterday a video tutorial about jazz on a basic level where the guy explained 2-5-1 progression, wich i found very interesting, so I've been practicing on it.

Now i have the doubt how to proceed. Should i practice the very basic 2-5-1 on the 12 keys before i add more stuff? Or should i focus on just one key, or a few keys, and practice on it adding more complex stuff?

I have the feeling that I'm asking a very dumb question, but any advice is welcomed.

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The very first thing my teacher had me do when I started jazz lessons many years ago was learn the 2-5-1 in all 12 keys. Hopefully the video gave you a good voicing for the 2-5-1; one where you don't jump around much. There is nothing more central to playing jazz than getting that progression to the point where you play it almost on auto-pilot. Eventually you'll also need to learn the minor 2-5-1.

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Not a dumb question at all!

I would start in a different place. I would work on learning the five basic seventh chord types in root position. I have a free lesson on this topic here:

https://www.jazzpianoonline.com/pages/chords-voicings#five-essential-seventh-chords

Once you can play these chords then you can learn to play voicings (arrangement of notes with voice leading and tension) within the context of iiVI progressions. Voicings will sound much better (these are professional voicings) and your sound will be much more sophisticated.

You may be playing the iiVs now wsith voicings but if you start by learning the basic root position seventh chords first the voicings will have more meaning.

I'm happy to chat more to help you chart a course for your study.


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Hi

My advice would be, yes, learn II V Is, as as you are, and then to expand on Bill's advice learn to understand chord types and structures. What I mean by this (apologies if you already know) is that if you see a chord symbol; for example G7, you know that its a dominant 7 and consists of the notes G B D F.

For me this was fundamental, not only for playing Jazz, but to get away from relying on having everything notated on sheet music in front of me, which just isn't practical for the vast majority of Jazz, Rock, Blues, Funk etc.

Having said that, I'm not a professional Pianist, and never will be. But that's what worked for me. Bill and a number others who post here are professional Jazz Pianists, so if in doubt take their advice!


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Thanks for your tips.

I'll look at the progression in the 12 keys, without rushing.

Regarding chord voicings, it's an infinite field for study. I hope jazz helps me to keep an organized and systematic approach towards it.

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Cannot go wrong working on ii-V-I in various keys. If you are not planning on studying with a teacher, I would suggest getting involved with one of the many jazz piano learning systems online. One I already mentioned above. I am a member of Jazzpianoschool.com and there are others that would offer more of a sense of structure vs. just pulling random videos off of youtube. I am also starting private lessons next week.

It just seems like there is too much information out there and, at least for me, it is difficult to be good at considering what is good, helpful, not helpful, possibly inaccurate, or whatever. Regardless, I need some kind of structured, step-by-step learning.


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