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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
navindra, great recording!!
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I haven't played Bluebird yet, but during his master class, I was surprised that he said Moments is harder than Bluebird. That doesn't really answer your question though...

I would agree with the assessment that Moments is harder. Other than the short runs in thirds Bluebird is not too bad. I found a lot more areas in Moments that were difficult to get right and keep from going backwards while practising other bits.

I've not tried to maintain Moments since learning as there are just too many areas where work is required to maintain the ability to play, whereas I still play Bluebird regularly, with just a bit of practise on the one hard bit to maintain.

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The tempo markings for Bluebird specify 50 bpm per dotted half-note. I read that as 150 bpm per quarter note.

That seems too fast for this piece, doesn't it?

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Hmm, you might be surprised though... Put a metronome going at 3/4 and just count out the LH part and see if it sounds right to you? I'll do that myself, later on this evening....


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Hmm, you might be surprised though... Put a metronome going at 3/4 and just count out the LH part and see if it sounds right to you? I'll do that myself, later on this evening....

Will do, at first blush it seemed faster than I expected, but of course it must be right!

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Just listened to this again... really really well done! Bravo!

Feels like the extra bar is around 1:40.

Definitely got the 'tenderly' part down! Which piano voice did you use for this?

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Yes, I just checked. I didn't check the whole thing, just the beginning, and I think Ffrench plays it right at about 150 to the quarter note (or, 50 with one count per measure).

It doesn't seem that fast, partly because there aren't any 16th notes (nothing smaller than an eighth note).

As an aside, I'm still working on September Song and I think I can have a recording of it in time for the Feb ABF recital (fingers crossed!)

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Discovered him last week through an Amy Dickson performance.



Haven't listened to him a lot, but I greatly enjoy his Bluebird piano solo.

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Just listened to this again... really really well done! Bravo!

Feels like the extra bar is around 1:40.

Definitely got the 'tenderly' part down! Which piano voice did you use for this?

I'm using VSLs Vienna Imperial virtual piano. My default choice.

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kj85m, thanks for posting that, I'll listen later today.

I was actually just thinking about this thread because I got an almost-shareable recording of September Song yesterday (memory flub right at the the end! :P

I'm still hoping to have it ready for the Feb 15th recital!


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New Wishing video just dropped.

MIDI lights without being MIDI lights... also, this time Alexis is playing a Bösendorfer instead of a Yamaha.

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Alexis had a Bösendorfer in his house for sometime. I don't know if he owned it or Bösendorfer the company were lending it to him.

There are a few examples of him practising on his Bösendorfer on his twitter feed though none in the immediate past.

Alexis Ffrench playing Chopin

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Navindra, thanks for posting that!!! How lovely! “Wishing” is in The Sheet Music Collection. I need to go look at it because I want to see what the LH /RH parts look like where there’s that ... echoing? For lack of a better descriptor!


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Originally Posted by KevinM
Alexis had a Bösendorfer in his house for sometime. I don't know if he owned it or Bösendorfer the company were lending it to him.

There are a few examples of him practising on his Bösendorfer on his twitter feed though none in the immediate past.

Alexis Ffrench playing Chopin

That's a great clip, thanks for sharing!

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Any advice for how to handle the hand/finger overlap in the tenuto section for Bluebird on the second page?

The LH and RH are notated to play same key. I guess it's better to let the RH do it for the melody, but it feels awkward to play.

Thanks!

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I think playing it with the right hand is right, but it might be the octave stretch to play the next note while holding down the previous note becomes awkward to play with control. Playing with the right is what I do. You need to remember that the note needs to be held down for the additional time as indicated in the bass clef.

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@navindra, I was wrong in my comment above, I play it with my left hand.

I am loving my new virtual piano so much I'm doing some new recordings including of Bluebird.

The runs in thirds are tripping me up, but other than the roughness there I think this is sounding pretty nice.

Bluebird played using the new Bösendorfer VC280 from VSL virtual piano.

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Lovely!!!! You are right, it's very nice!!!


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Originally Posted by KevinM
@navindra, I was wrong in my comment above, I play it with my left hand.

I am loving my new virtual piano so much I'm doing some new recordings including of Bluebird.

The runs in thirds are tripping me up, but other than the roughness there I think this is sounding pretty nice.

Bluebird played using the new Bösendorfer VC280 from VSL virtual piano.

Sounds great, like a concert piano with a massive reverb. Makes it sing.

I'm also starting to think about what piano I will use for this piece.

Thanks a lot for the fingering tips!

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Originally Posted by navindra

Sounds great, like a concert piano with a massive reverb. Makes it sing.
Did you remove your first version? I thought that was really great as well. I imagine you might have run into Vimeo limits though.

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I just made it private, I didn't want the channel to get too many duplicates of the same piece played with different VSTs. You can listen to it here I believe. If you have a problem let me know.

Private version of Bluebird

That was also played with a VSL virtual piano called Vienna Imperial. It is about 10 years old but still a favourite though the VC280 is coming close to knocking it off its place. Nothing else has come close.

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Originally Posted by KevinM
I just made it private, I didn't want the channel to get too many duplicates of the same piece played with different VSTs. You can listen to it here I believe. If you have a problem let me know.

Private version of Bluebird

That was also played with a VSL virtual piano called Vienna Imperial. It is about 10 years old but still a favourite though the VC280 is coming close to knocking it off its place. Nothing else has come close.

Thanks! It's difficult to compare the two directly because of the massive difference in reverb, but I think your Vienna Imperial rendering has a special quality to it. A lightness and softness to it plus a lyrical quality (and longer sustain?) that really seems to work well here.

Don't delete it please, I still use it as a reference! laugh

For a true comparison, I think you'd have to disable the ambient effect... but my feeling is that your old favorite pulls ahead... but maybe just because you know it so well? The VC280A version definitely sounds like a concert performance though!

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