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Hello Don,

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Right now, using headphones .... my only issue is that when I reduce the volume (volume control slider) to a level that I would like, the sound becomes almost instantly a bit muffled. It clears up when I raise the volume but that is at a level I am a bit uncomfortable with. I like to be able to get the volume down without losing clarity.

Just out of curiosity, what do you have the "Low Volume Balance" setting (Basic Settings --> 1-4) set to?

I believe the default is "3", however it may be worthwhile increasing/decreasing this value, or disabling the feature completely.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Just out of curiosity, what do you have the "Low Volume Balance" setting (Basic Settings --> 1-4) set to?

I believe the default is "3", however it may be worthwhile increasing/decreasing this value, or disabling the feature completely.

I have had it on "5" without noticing anything significant.

I might try turning it off.


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Originally Posted by dmd
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No, just one that allows for parametric control.
The ES920 has a 4-channel equalizer on top of the keyboard.

In addition, there is an adjustment to those controls which can be made within the internal settings.

So, it appears to be fairly useful.

I have "fooled" with it and it does make a significan different in the volume of the various ranges of sound.

I will continue to work with that for a bit and see what I come up with.

Right now, using headphones .... my only issue is that when I reduce the volume (volume control slider) to a level that I would like, the sound becomes almost instantly a bit muffled. It clears up when I raise the volume but that is at a level I am a bit uncomfortable with. I like to be able to get the volume down without losing clarity.

I can do that if I run the sound from LINE OUT into my mixer and then utilize controls to reduce volume and listen with headphones on mixer headphone out.

So ... I can get around the issue ... I would just like to make the ES920 more to my liking when utilizing completely stand alone.

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The bold-faced behavior suggests that what dmd needs is "loudness compensation":

. . . Check "Fletcher-Munson Curve" on Google for a full explanation.

Some EQ -- appropriate boosts of bass and treble -- will probably help.


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Just out of curiosity, what do you have the "Low Volume Balance" setting (Basic Settings --> 1-4) set to?

I believe the default is "3", however it may be worthwhile increasing/decreasing this value, or disabling the feature completely.

I have had it on "5" without noticing anything significant.

I might try turning it off.

Thanks Don, please let me know how you get on.

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To put a wrap on this thread ....

I have been able to reach a point where I am beginning to turn the corner on adjusting to my ES920.

I am pretty sure my main issue was that I had been playing the MP11SE for 2 years and .... let's face it .... the ES920 is not the MP11SE.

So .... I have made a few adjustments and I now have a sound that at low volume is not muddy through both the headphones and speakers. That was my main issue and I have resolved that.

I am also much happier with the sound in general, so ..... thankfully .... I am not as "desperate" for an alternative sound speaker system.

So for now .... problem solved. Thanks to all for suggestions.


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Originally Posted by dmd
To put a wrap on this thread ....

I have been able to reach a point where I am beginning to turn the corner on adjusting to my ES920.

I am pretty sure my main issue was that I had been playing the MP11SE for 2 years and .... let's face it .... the ES920 is not the MP11SE.

So .... I have made a few adjustments and I now have a sound that at low volume is not muddy through both the headphones and speakers. That was my main issue and I have resolved that.

I am also much happier with the sound in general, so ..... thankfully .... I am not as "desperate" for an alternative sound speaker system.

So for now .... problem solved. Thanks to all for suggestions.

Great!. Could you elaborate about the adjustments?. I think that would help other owners, current or future


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... Could you elaborate about the adjustments?. I think that would help other owners, current or future



Here are some specific menu sections that I find useful ....

1-1 Tone Control - I Set Brilliance to -5

1-3 Speaker Vol. - I set it to LOW

2-1 Touch Curve - I set it to HEAVY1

2-2 Voicing - I set it to Dynamic


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Originally Posted by dmd
I am pretty sure my main issue was that I had been playing the MP11SE for 2 years and .... let's face it .... the ES920 is not the MP11SE.

That's true, however the internal sounds should be comparable.

Assuming that you were using monitor speakers with your MP11SE, have you tried connecting these to the ES920?

One other point to note is that the ES920 features "Spatial Headphone Sound" (SHS), which is enabled by default. Disabling this should take you closer to the MP11SE's headphone sound, which does not include this feature.

https://www.kawai-global.com/data/manuals/es920_es520/ES920_EN_R101.pdf#page=121

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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I am pretty sure my main issue was that I had been playing the MP11SE for 2 years and .... let's face it .... the ES920 is not the MP11SE.

That's true, however the internal sounds should be comparable.

Assuming that you were using monitor speakers with your MP11SE, have you tried connecting these to the ES920?

I have and that sound is fine.

However, one of the main reasons I sold the MP11SE and went for the ES920 was for the internal speaker system.

Unfortunately, I am now finding it is not a sound I am happy with.


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One other point to note is that the ES920 features "Spatial Headphone Sound" (SHS), which is enabled by default. Disabling this should take you closer to the MP11SE's headphone sound, which does not include this feature.

I have fooled with that setting and have not really noticed anything significant either way.


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I found this topic timely and thought provoking because in less than a month (without further construction delays) I'll be moving into a new house where I'll have my digital piano in the same room as my hi-fi/home-theater speaker system for the first time.

I originally bought my Yamaha CVP ("baby grand" version) in large part because of its speaker system to use for VST's in a living room setting, and I've been very happy with it. But I'm looking forward to experimenting with playing vst's through vastly better speakers in stereo and full-surround configurations. I'll lose the piano-like dispersion pattern into the room from the CVP's built-in speaker arrangement (and that may take a lot of experimenting to simulate with the surround speaker arrangement in my theater), but I anticipate gaining a tremendous amount of clarity and fidelity from a very high-end electrostatic speaker system (which may prove to be too revealing for the sample quality).

There will probably be some surprises, and I'll write up a little review once I move and have time to experiment, and at least partially optimize the setup (probably 6-7 weeks from now).


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by Kawai James
Assuming that you were using monitor speakers with your MP11SE, have you tried connecting these to the ES920?

I have and that sound is fine.

However, one of the main reasons I sold the MP11SE and went for the ES920 was for the internal speaker system.

Unfortunately, I am now finding it is not a sound I am happy with.

Okay, I see.

I think it would be better to compare the ES920's speaker system to that of the ES8, rather than an MP11SE with external monitor speakers.
I expect your ears may have become accustomed to the sound the monitor speakers, and may need some time to re-adjust to the internal speakers of the ES920.

Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by Kawai James
One other point to note is that the ES920 features "Spatial Headphone Sound" (SHS), which is enabled by default. Disabling this should take you closer to the MP11SE's headphone sound, which does not include this feature.

I have fooled with that setting and have not really noticed anything significant either way.

I believe you should definitely be able hear a difference in the stereo image/positioning of the headphone sound between the SHS "Wide" and "Off" settings.

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