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Hi folks,

One (the one?) of my NY resolutions was to finally (after debating it for many years) learn the piano. I'm fairly versed in music, having spent the majority of my life doing one thing or the other (music theory / history / trumpet / brass band / bagpipe band / two choirs).

Seeing that I don't want to annoy my partner significantly more than needed, I ended up looking at digital piano's. And got lost in the selection there :p

I have zero experience playing a piano - will start from zero, have talked with several teachers for remote teaching (in this day and age, for as long as it's needed) and perhaps some in-person classes.

The reasons (besides the resolution) are to 1. learn something new, to eventually be able to give support in the choirs i'm in, and just to be able to play classical pieces. I know this will be a journey of years wink I've been through them a few times with the other instruments I play.

For the device itself, I'm still very much doubting: I had been reading up on the piano subreddit, where I find the following 'entry' level pianos:
  • yamaha p-125
  • Roland PF-30


but .. well.. I don't want to blow a fortune on this, but I don't want to buy crap either. I was guessing somewhere in the 600 EUR range, but I'm beginning to wonder if that's too low.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance!

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Both fine for a beginner. Don't spend too much.

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Don't spend too much ... but be prepared to outgrow a cheap piano and wish for a better one.

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It seems to me that trumpet / brass instruments / bagpipes would be much more obnoxious to another person in the household than an acoustic piano ever could be.

Seeing you have so much experience with "real" acoustic instruments, I'd encourage to evaluate the actual feasibility of going with an acoustic piano. You would get so much more satisfaction with it than a keyboard of the type you are considering.

Edit: Above was just to counterbalance your original argument against an acoustic piano, however your budget may not actually allow for one anyway.

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Originally Posted by navindra
It seems to me that trumpet / brass instruments / bagpipes would be much more obnoxious to another person in the household than an acoustic piano ever could be.

I get your counter argument - but i have digital bagpipes to practice and trumpet is played with a damper, so that the noise level is nearly none wink

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I tried trumpet a few times. Nearly died / Passed out.

It's really hard.

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I would look into the Kawai ES-110 as well, too.
Next week will be the NAMM2021 show, so maybe or most likely there will be some new product releases. But in the past it often turned out that the jump ahead between two generations of digital pianos was not THAT big. So wait till the end of next week and then you might get a better price on the older generation or go for the brand new digital piano if you like it better and if you can wait a couple of weeks till it arrives in shops / at your home.

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Another vote for the Kawai ES110.


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es110 is too old to be bought at this point.

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Originally Posted by jeffcat
I tried trumpet a few times. Nearly died / Passed out.

It's really hard.
Bagpipe is worse :P

Originally Posted by Björn from Earth
I would look into the Kawai ES-110 as well, too.
Next week will be the NAMM2021 show, so maybe or most likely there will be some new product releases. But in the past it often turned out that the jump ahead between two generations of digital pianos was not THAT big. So wait till the end of next week and then you might get a better price on the older generation or go for the brand new digital piano if you like it better and if you can wait a couple of weeks till it arrives in shops / at your home.

Oh, thanks! I wasn't aware of this smile Is there any blog where I can follow those reveals? Still pretty new to the piano world smile

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I am a beginner myself, and I presonally like the ES110 and the P125. ROland FP30 was okay, but was not my personal cup of tea.

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Random question: from a friend I could borrow a Roland RD700 GX stage piano (it's been sitting there gathering dust).

Is this worth anything still and is it usable to start with, seeing the age of the device? I'm not sure what state it's in.

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Originally Posted by devilkin
Oh, thanks! I wasn't aware of this smile Is there any blog where I can follow those reveals? Still pretty new to the piano world smile

Watch this forum - often we have a thread(s) about NAAM DP announcements. Also, in the past NAAMs, there was a page on their website where all new keyboard products from all manufacturers were listed - so check NAAM website during the event dates.

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Speaking of bagpipes ...
We saw this in the Scottish highlands on a trip there some years ago.
Alongside a road winding through the mountains, in the middle of nowhere ...


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Originally Posted by jeffcat
es110 is too old to be bought at this point.
The ES120 should be out soon (within months).


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Originally Posted by Burkey
The ES120 should be out soon (within months).

Please don't pass-off speculation as fact.

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I'd add another vote for the ES110. My friend has one that I play a fair bit and I really like it.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Burkey
The ES120 should be out soon (within months).

Please don't pass-off speculation as fact.

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I wrote 'should' not 'will' be out soon smile

So far I've been correct about the Yamaha CLP series releases and the Roland FP series releases... Happy to admit if my hopes are wrong this time - if there's nothing released by May I'll eat some humble pie smile

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Originally Posted by Burkey
I wrote 'should' not 'will' be out soon smile

I believe 'may' is actually the word you're looking for. wink

(by the way, that's may not May - I am not giving any hints away here.)

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Burkey
I wrote 'should' not 'will' be out soon smile

I believe 'may' is actually the word you're looking for. wink

(by the way, that's may not May - I am not giving any hints away here.)

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Regardless of when 'something' is released by Kawai, I'm sure it will be a delightful device ;-)


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