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This is what Chopin heard playing himself



This is what we hear playing Chopin. I posted the link (only) early on in this thread, here is the full video. Obviously, I like the modern day Roenisch upright a lot, especially as a comparison to the period Pleyel grand in the above video. Modern day pianos, mid-range and up, and not too small, are pretty good, IMHO.


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The difference in design between those two instruments is only about 40 years but light years in advancement. To the point that current production is little changed from the late 1880s.


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Originally Posted by doremi
This is what Mozart heard playing himself



This is what we hear ourselves playing Mozart
We actually saw Mozarts forte piano when went on a European trip in the 80's. The piano was either in the apartment in Vienna or the Mozart House in Salzburg.
I have never heard it played before but thought I had read that it had been restored and I think performed upon at a recital. Very true what he says , the piano music , and concertos were written for the pianos of his day not for the modern Steinway of today.
For most of us to appreciate this sound would have meant living in the late 1700's. However I agree I prefer the music on
modern instruments. (because of what my ear is used to, and I just happen to live in the 21st century thats all)

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That guy with the wig is awfully irritating. Such horrible upright
and unmusical playing.
I would love to throw an overripe tomato at him !

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That guy with the wig is awfully irritating. Such horrible upright
and unmusical playing.
I would love to throw an overripe tomato at him !

I agree. I tightened up just a few seconds into listening.

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The guy with the wig is actually a quite accomplished musician and multi-skilled professional.

From his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Vinheteiro "...is a Brazilian pianist, audio engineer, youtuber and humorist. Best known for having the largest specialized piano channel in the world on YouTube, with more than 6 million subscribers, in addition to being part of the Pânico program, from Jovem Pan FM in Brazil and co-host of Master Podcast."

Badmouthing him reflects more on you than on him.


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This is what Wagner heard playing his father-in-law Liszt at 3:30 if you want to skip the vlog. (I personally find the vlog quite interesting)



This is what we hear playing Liszt


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What is the purpose of these endless youtube posts that you are posting ? Where are are we going ? What is the point ?

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
What is the purpose of these endless youtube posts that you are posting ? Where are are we going ? What is the point ?

If you don't see the point, ignore the thread. People like the thread and have said so.

You have badmouthed 2 accomplished musicians in this thread, it is not appreciated.


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From the YouTube channdel of a pianotech (Regi Hedahl), both pianos sound great.

A non-rebuilt 1885 Steinway upright 52" that he tuned and regulated


A 1927 Chickering grand 6'5" that he rebuilt


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That is amazing, the 1885 Steinway, given that it is not rebuilt (135-old piano!). I thought piano's do not live longer than 50 years.

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Originally Posted by doremi
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
What is the purpose of these endless youtube posts that you are posting ? Where are are we going ? What is the point ?

If you don't see the point, ignore the thread. People like the thread and have said so.

You have badmouthed 2 accomplished musicians in this thread, it is not appreciated.


Let me join in the fun then. I can only agree with LB, the wig man is indeed incredibly annoying, I've seen a few of his videos by now and his musical accomplishment seems to fall far short of his self importance.


We are just as entitled to our opinions as you are. I'm not sure who the other 'bad mouthed' musician is but there are a few performances in this thread that are not poor but very far from stellar, far better than I could do of course but probably not up to LB's playing.

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Here the pianist is quite small , the piano larger in size. A young Tiffany will give us a sincere demonstration of how Mozart should sound.


https://youtu.be/b3oaKkTsLn0

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The sonata in C minor probably needed a larger keyboard
than the one above. The sonata was probably an inspiration for Beethoven. This is Mozart too !


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I will agree that two of the pianists at least, including the Lord so-and-so, are far from accomplished. I, too, fall firmly in this category so don’t mind to say it.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
..... Very true what he says , the piano music , and concertos were written for the pianos of his day not for the modern Steinway of today.
For most of us to appreciate this sound would have meant living in the late 1700's. However I agree I prefer the music on modern instruments. (because of what my ear is used to, and I just happen to live in the 21st century that's all)

The entire world was much quieter in the 1700s. I would love to go back for a visit if it were possible.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
..... Very true what he says , the piano music , and concertos were written for the pianos of his day not for the modern Steinway of today.
For most of us to appreciate this sound would have meant living in the late 1700's. However I agree I prefer the music on modern instruments. (because of what my ear is used to, and I just happen to live in the 21st century that's all)

The entire world was much quieter in the 1700s. I would love to go back for a visit if it were possible.
For sure , just a visit for the moment., or a cabin in the woods
as long as it warm, and there is a piano.

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Originally Posted by gwing
We are just as entitled to our opinions as you are.

Not baseless badmouthing, that's detestable.

There is a parallel thread, BTW, with 9 footers and world famous performers. But as I said in my OP and what the thread title says, this thread is for 6' and 4' and for most/rest of us.

It is also hypocritical to question the thread and still post in it.


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The difference in design between those two instruments is only about 40 years but light years in advancement. To the point that current production is little changed from the late 1880s.

Yeah, from 1880 on classical composers had 'modern day pianos', i.e. in a broad sense, they heard their compositions as we hear them today. Here is a graphical timeline of classical composers from Wikipedia.

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There are no clear-cut changes in historical periods in music except in the development of the forms, structure and styles of music. Beethoven seemed to move from Classical to more
Romantic.
So the above table is more "idealistic"(idealistic?)than true.
The same goes for composers of the late Rennassance and the early Baroque.

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