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For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction? smile

Maybe he is the one who will bring balance to the force?


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Any word on when the outdated look and technology of the MP line is going to be updated...?

To be honest, I hope they won't change the look of the MP line anytime soon. I like it a lot.

Regarding the look, the Kawai MP series has a gorgeous modern mid-century design. I think it's already a great design and shouldn't be changed!

Please don't change the look of MP series Kawai! I have got a lot of compliments for the look of my MP7SE from my musician friends. They all liked the look, the side panels, and the "Kawai" logo on the front!


Some mid-century instruments:

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an older MP series:
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Apparently, everyone is copying Kawai! and here are some modern instruments inspired by mid-century design:

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So MP series look is very modern and futuristic. It would be a sad day if Kawai listens to a troll who has no clue about fashion and modern design!

The design is so great that even Nord is copying Kawai!
(given that Yamaha is copycatting Nord)


Now see who is Yamaha copying:

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Yamaha's master piece!
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Don't forget the 1984 classic Synclavier VPK with its perfect sloping front control panel, and pitch bend / modulation wheels on the left of keys (where they belong) not on the top panel, and rows of instant access buttons in logical banks of eight.

Shares many similar design layout aesthetics with Kawai MP9000, MP9500, MP8 and MP8ii which are IMHO among Kawai's best ever physical aesthetics for a stage piano in jet black.

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Although the interface matters and MP series has an intuitive interface, at the end of the day "how it sounds and feels" are the most important aspects of a digital stage instrument.

The look of the current MP series is a hybrid look between an acoustic grand and a mid-century instrument:

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It has similar cut-outs. This instrument looks and feels very distinguished.

MP series look truly represents the idea and thought behind its creation: it's a "digital" "stage" "piano". It has all these three elements in its design.

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For looks Kawai made a nice update going from MP11 to MP11SE i think.
SE has beautiful side panels .

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Abdol, I shot that MP11SE image above...unfortunately, there are some Photoshop errors that I cannot unsee...

Would you believe, I was actually against the idea of changing the brown, rounded side panels for the polished black "L" shape for the SE models.
However, in hindsight I agree that it was a good move.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Abdol, I shot that MP11SE image above...unfortunately, there are some Photoshop errors that I cannot unsee...

Would you believe, I was actually against the idea of changing the brown, rounded side panels for the polished black "L" shape for the SE models.
However, in hindsight I agree that it was a good move.

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They were indeed right, it looks much better IMO. I think if you wanted a cool update on aesthetic, maybe 4 optional colours for the MP series casing would be interesting, as the metal case is quality and the look is classy. As others have noted, it would be a match for the Nord Grand in looks if there was a bespoke stand and bespoke Onkyo monitors that looked a bit nicer than the K&M or Yamaha LG800.

For instance, it's curious how many people have built their own case for the MP11

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Originally Posted by Doug M.
I think if you wanted a cool update on aesthetic, maybe 4 optional colours for the MP series casing would be interesting, as the metal case is quality and the look is classy. As others have noted, it would be a match for the Nord Grand in looks if there was a bespoke stand and bespoke Onkyo monitors that looked a bit nicer than the K&M or Yamaha LG800.

Interesting ideas, however I think you may underestimate how many units of a particularly product need to be sold in order it to become financially viable.

Four different case colours, and a custom stand - presumably in matching colours?
Alas, Kawai is not selling iPhones...


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Aside from looks, I just want to chime in in the positive MP11SE choir. After having owned the MP11SE for some 3 months now I notice that of all my piano time, I spend roughly 80% or more on the lovely MP11. Kawai really made this to suit my needs regarding keaboard action feel and also sounds.

And - after getting the MP11SE I also find I experience my CS11 kind of different from before. It's got slightly heavier action, slightly more demanding finger-vise and feels a bit more "grown up" or "serious" IMHO. If anyone understands what I mean... wink

I truly love the MP11SE!!! Thank's Kawai! And thank's to Steinway Piano Gallery Stockholm who managed to deliver one in the midst of the pandemic.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Four different case colours, and a custom stand - presumably in matching colours?

Not necessarily.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Doug M.
I think if you wanted a cool update on aesthetic, maybe 4 optional colours for the MP series casing would be interesting, as the metal case is quality and the look is classy. As others have noted, it would be a match for the Nord Grand in looks if there was a bespoke stand and bespoke Onkyo monitors that looked a bit nicer than the K&M or Yamaha LG800.

Interesting ideas, however I think you may underestimate how many units of a particularly product need to be sold in order it to become financially viable.

Four different case colours, and a custom stand - presumably in matching colours?
Alas, Kawai is not selling iPhones...


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Well, that is an issue, but I think there are solutions!..

For instance, you don't need to make the extra products specific to the MP series, just fitting them. The extra stand could fit the dimensions of other premium stage pianos, as could the monitors. Tbh, there is a gap in the market for a classy well designed stage piano stand. The K&M stand is terribly functional: if Kawai could match that quick open design but make a really classy design, I think that could be marketable to those buying Yamaha, Nord, etc.

The colours issue: metalic paint could be a chargeable extra 😀, after all, it's just a powder coating job for those that want it. Might cost an extra £300.

I think it's a no brainer for getting Onkyo to produce bespoke powered monitors/bass woofer, as the market for powered monitors is a mine field: being able to offer products that excel for the digital piano at competitive prices would be attractive in a world where it is really hard to find a store with lots of fitting monitors to test on a digital. If the branding was tasteful and not to brasen, I suspect lots of people would buy Kawai Onkyo rather than Focal or Adam or Neumann or iLouds, etc.

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Originally Posted by Mickey_
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Four different case colours, and a custom stand - presumably in matching colours?

Not necessarily.

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LOL, sold only to the colour blind


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Abdol, I shot that MP11SE image above...unfortunately, there are some Photoshop errors that I cannot unsee...

Would you believe, I was actually against the idea of changing the brown, rounded side panels for the polished black "L" shape for the SE models.
However, in hindsight I agree that it was a good move.

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Ha! Good to know!

I'm not an expert in design but I don't think different wood panels would go nice with the body color. It will look like a car with unmatched interior colors.

Regarding ONKYO monitor speakers, I believe ONKYO must come up with something better than HS7-HS8 which is difficult both in production and sale.

Yamaha LG-800 looks really nice, I like its rugged design and mild industrial look BUT it has an asymmetric design. The chrome bar on the front should be adjustable from both sides for a clean symmetric look.

I wish all the buttons could be lit up slightly so in low light situations they were all visible.


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Originally Posted by Abdol
Yamaha LG-800 looks really nice, I like its rugged design and mild industrial look BUT it has an asymmetric design. The chrome bar on the front should be adjustable from both sides for a clean symmetric look.

I agree, Abdol. That (is the only thing that) bothers me a bit.


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Originally Posted by Abdol
This guy is TROLL. Zero contribution and a bunch of nonsense posts.

Originally Posted by Pologuy
Kawai has always been copying/chasing Yamaha.

Any word on when the outdated look and technology of the MP line is going to be updated...?

Do MP series look like any of Yamaha keyboards?

Grow up, seriously.

And I take second to none in my admiration of Kawai - when they do something right.

As attested to by my ownership of their most expensive, top of the line at the time, CP205 and CP207 digital grand pianos...

The fact remains (to me and many others - and even more if they were honest) that the MP series is dated - in both looks and technology.

If you opinion differs, fine.


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Originally Posted by Pologuy
Grow up, seriously.

And I take second to none in my admiration of Kawai - when they do something right.

As attested to by my ownership of their most expensive, top of the line at the time, CP205 and CP207 digital grand pianos...

The fact remains (to me and many others - and even more if they were honest) that the MP series is dated - in both looks and technology.

If you opinion differs, fine.

Your opinion for sure is not a fact. It's more like this:

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VW is an easy punching bag.

However, in this case, blame should be targeted at the buyers of these monstrosities.

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Hi all,
I've been reading this forum since 2017, but i became an officially member last year (on aprli's 2020).
First of all, thank you all for sharing your knowledge. I have learned a lot for you all, and i'll still learn a lot for shure.
My only request is for a detail that i need in order to build a wood stand for my (future) MP7SE, and the thing is: what are the total height from the table stand to the white keys in the MP7SE?.
Here's an example picture of what i'm meaning:
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The picture is of an MP11SE, but i'm asking for the height of an MP7SE, which i don't know if its the same height ...

Thanks!.

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Hi all,
I've been reading this forum since 2017, but i became an officially member last year (on aprli's 2020).
First of all, thank you all for sharing your knowledge. I have learned a lot for you all, and i'll still learn a lot for shure.
My only request is for a detail that i need in order to build a wood stand for my (future) MP7SE, and the thing is: what are the total height from the table stand to the white keys in the MP7SE?.
Here's an example picture of what i'm meaning:
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The picture is of an MP11SE, but i'm asking for the height of an MP7SE, which i don't know if its the same height ...

Thanks!.


Sorry for this. I don't know how can i edit my own post..
I meant I have learned a lot from you all....

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Originally Posted by Cesarbcn
My only request is for a detail that i need in order to build a wood stand for my (future) MP7SE, and the thing is: what are the total height from the table stand to the white keys in the MP7SE?.

Cesarbcn, the MP7SE stands on four rubber pads. Including pads, the measurement you're looking for is ca. 11.5 cm, excluding pads it's ca. 10 cm. I hope that helps.


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