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I read time ago a Bach biography. Starts reporting an article someone wrote in a local newspaper by the time Bach was around 50. It was kind of a derogatory article about his compositions, and the author called Bach a "musikant" wich seems to be a german word that means someone who plays a little bit of music but doesn't really master the craft. The article was responded by several Bach colleagues who defended Bach as a true master musician and composer.

Anyway i think there's a good way to clasify musicians. True musicians, and musikants.

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Yep, I ‘d have to go along with that. Keep definitions unclutteringly simple. rerun


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Originally Posted by Ubu
I read time ago a Bach biography. Starts reporting an article someone wrote in a local newspaper by the time Bach was around 50. It was kind of a derogatory article about his compositions, and the author called Bach a "musikant" wich seems to be a german word that means someone who plays a little bit of music but doesn't really master the craft. The article was responded by several Bach colleagues who defended Bach as a true master musician and composer.

Anyway i think there's a good way to clasify musicians. True musicians, and musikants.


You mean musiCANs and musiCAN'Ts?

I CAN make music, so I am a musiCAN!



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Brings to mind the old joke: "What do you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of musicians? Answer - A drummer".

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Originally Posted by Pau Gasol
Brings to mind the old joke: "What do you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of musicians? Answer - A drummer".

What do you call the guy/girl that pretends to be a musician?
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I CAN make music, so I am a musiCAN!

So you only make music while in the Bathroom?


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I CAN make music, so I am a musiCAN!

So you only make music while in the Bathroom?

You're joking, but back when I played the clarinet, that was the best room in the house to practice - plenty of echo and reverb... You could really hear your tone.

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There’s a curve from absolute beginner to accomplished master with an infinite number of points along it.

On the piano curve (or the musical curve more generally) we are all some way along it.

It’s arbitrary to cut the curve at one point and say everyone above this cut off is a pianist (or musician) and everyone below is not. But feel free to make that cut if you wish.

I just keep trudging along trying to advance my playing.

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I CAN make music, so I am a musiCAN!

So you only make music while in the Bathroom?

You're joking, but back when I played the clarinet, that was the best room in the house to practice - plenty of echo and reverb... You could really hear your tone.

Sam

Same for the Trumpet. Of course it was to much and only practical with a mute on. Don't ask me why I was practicing in the Can - LOL


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If it gets me a better parking spot, i'm a musician. 😀
I agree, one doesn't have to be "good" to be a musician.
I sometimes sing for my supper myself, but i still don't consider a singer a musician. (imho)
But if you play a kazoo to your hampster, down in the basement. If you want to call yourself a musician is fine with me.


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A simple definition would be: Anyone who makes music is a musician.
If they do it for a living, they are professional musicians.


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In the golf world there are terms for "golfers" who do not play well, like duffer, or hacker.

Do we have such terms in the music world? Or are we more kind than that?


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Originally Posted by trooplewis
In the golf world there are terms for "golfers" who do not play well, like duffer, or hacker.

Do we have such terms in the music world? Or are we more kind than that?
No, but there's no harm trying....or maybe not. whistle

In the chess world, we use the term 'patzer' for an inept player.

As we know, there's a close association between chess and (classical) music (e.g. Rubinstein was a chess GM, a composer/pianist and a pianist........though with different first names wink ).

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I think that my definition would be the ability to transmit your thoughts directly to your instrument and to be able to play in any style.
If somebody was to say "Play something romantic" you could instantly play something romantic on the fly, even though it’s nothing that you’ve played before but follows the formula of romantic music.
The same with if somebody says play something sinister, jazz, soul, pop, classical, oriental, Egyptian, etc, etc, and you can do it without playing anything recognisably.

That’s what I’m striving for. I doubt I’ll ever achieve it but it must be a wonderful ability.


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A Musician is someone who drummers hang around with. LOL


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Originally Posted by Pau Gasol
Brings to mind the old joke: "What do you call a guy who hangs around with a bunch of musicians? Answer - A drummer".

Q. What's the difference between a live drummer and a drum machine?

A. With a drum machine you only have to punch the rhythm in once.

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A musician is someone who is able to please others by creating music.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
A musician is someone who is able to please others by creating music.

But so many of us play alone :-(

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
A musician is someone who is able to please others by creating music.

But so many of us play alone :-(

Sam
Well, I guess it may be enough to please audience once a year. smile

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One who makes music?

Musicianship goes all the way back to the ancient civilizations.

The title of oldest song ever put to writing it the “Hurrian Hymn No. 6,” an ode to the goddess Nikkal that was composed in cuneiform by the ancient Hurrians sometime around the 14th century B.C. The found clay tablets that had a near-complete set of musical notations and specific instructions for how to play the song on a type of lyre.

The oldest instruments found were primitive flutes made 43,000 years ago. Those flute players were musicians as well.

I doubt they offered music degrees back then BTW, so music is a pretty egalitarian pursuit. So never let anyone snob their way into making you believe you're not a musician though you make music.

I mean when you think about it music was probably discovered when a couple of cavemen accidentally farted in harmony.

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