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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by Del Vento
I am using NU1 speakers and yes, I have set the velocity curve and the appropriate volume. And from the same computer and on the same speakers RECORDINGS of fine concerts (e.g. CDs, yes I still use those) the recorded grand pianos sound like grand pianos, unlike the digital instrument. It's not subtle difference: it's like knocking on fine wood furniture, vs knocking on a plastic slab: totally different sound.

Indeed. A good system isn't going to make something sound more like a piano if it doesn't sound like one in the first place.

Last I heard were moves afoot to refine or diminish at least some of the resonances (which nobody asked for) of Fine Elite Pianos. They will one day succeed, to the sounds of very great rejoicing.
Such instruments, such work of incomparable complexity and devotion, will no doubt carry a hefty price tag.
We lucky lucky guys on this wonderful forum already have such. and what are we attempting to do?

Yes, well; the steam trains are still wonderful, living things which ovoke emotion and enthusiasm from old and young and they smoked heavily on occasions.
And I too would wish they'd never stopped using 'em.
But even steam locos would be very different now with refinement commensurate with modern requirements.
One day we might get back to playing music insted of playing the piano. One day we might be able to travel on trains and expect to arrive somewhere . . . .and on time.

The beer's good tonight. A smoky taste and full of resonances.

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In the past in this forum it used to be consensus that no digital comes close to a decent acoustic piano. VSTs come closer, but still "no cigar".

Two things:
Originally Posted by OU812
So when comparing Pianoteq, you are listening through good quality powered monitors, have set the velocity curve of your controller, and have the appropriate volume set?
I only ask because when I listened to Pianoteq without doing the above, I thought it sounded like a pile of junk.
A proper velocity curve will allow for proper expression ... but it won't correct poor sound.

I have found nothing that can make Pianoteq sound agreeable.
People here seem to think that their Bechstein is the best of the lot. It is. The others are pure crap. A set of embarrassments.
But the Bechstein isn't very good. It's just less bad.

This says it all:
Originally Posted by johnstaf
A good system isn't going to make something sound more like a piano if it doesn't sound like one in the first place.
A good audio system will degrade the sound very little, but it won't improve anything.

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I can't argue the case that other, more expensive Vsts sound better than Pianoteq, as they don't appear to be willing to offer demos of their products.

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I'll keep my Pianoteq 7 thankyou very much😀


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I just upgraded to pianoteq 7 and I think it’s quite good.


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Hm, I setup my TrueKeys pianos and PT in Mainstage so I can quickly switch between them. To be honest, the differences are a LOT smaller then people make them out to be. Especially if you put the pianos in similar "spaces" using more professional reverbs form Mainstage in comparison to what the individual companies provide.

I just have a handfull of VSTs to try out, but honestly in those cases they are all pretty close.

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I'll keep my Pianoteq 7 thankyou very much😀

You’re welcome!

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
In the past in this forum it used to be consensus that no digital comes close to a decent acoustic piano. VSTs come closer, but still "no cigar".

Two things:
Originally Posted by OU812
So when comparing Pianoteq, you are listening through good quality powered monitors, have set the velocity curve of your controller, and have the appropriate volume set?
I only ask because when I listened to Pianoteq without doing the above, I thought it sounded like a pile of junk.
A proper velocity curve will allow for proper expression ... but it won't correct poor sound.

I have found nothing that can make Pianoteq sound agreeable.
People here seem to think that their Bechstein is the best of the lot. It is. The others are pure crap. A set of embarrassments.
But the Bechstein isn't very good. It's just less bad.

This says it all:
Originally Posted by johnstaf
A good system isn't going to make something sound more like a piano if it doesn't sound like one in the first place.
A good audio system will degrade the sound very little, but it won't improve anything.

That's the good thing about being pessimistic;
Things can only get better . . .
And they are!


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