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I heard this report of what the tuner said second hand from my husband, and I don't understand.

First, we scheduled a tuning last week, and the tuner said he wouldn't have expected us to call until December, so it's a bit earlier than usual. Then there was some comment about the treble being out of tune because of the music I am playing. I expressed bewilderment, and my husband said it wasn't because I was doing anything wrong.

I'm still bewildered. Anyone care to comment?

FYI, I'm an intermediate student, not playing anything extraordinary. Current practice is Burgmueller, Bach invention, chords that I can't quite reach inversion exercise from Edna Mae Burnam.


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As it is, what your husband has relayed doesn't seem to make any sense.

I wonder if it's possible there was something lost in translation from the tuner to your husband to you. Technicians, if they're not careful and clear, can say something to a client that then gets interpreted in an entirely different way.


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Thank you! That makes me feel less stupid and I can carry on and enjoy the mystery of the failure of human communication.


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Originally Posted by malkin
...and enjoy the mystery of the failure of human communication.

A good philosophy!


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Originally Posted by malkin
Thank you! That makes me feel less stupid and I can carry on and enjoy the mystery of the failure of human communication.

Or you could phone the tuner yourself . . .


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Originally Posted by malkin
I heard this report of what the tuner said second hand from my husband, and I don't understand.
Then there was some comment about the treble being out of tune because of the music I am playing.
I'm still bewildered. Anyone care to comment?

FYI, I'm an intermediate student, not playing anything extraordinary. Current practice is Burgmueller, Bach invention, chords that I can't quite reach inversion exercise from Edna Mae Burnam.

Greetings,

Tuning can be affected by play, yes. Particularly when there is a devotee of either Jerry Lee Lewis, or Rachmaninoff in the house with too much time and coffee and too little to do. Few players hit the keys as hard as the last check note from the tuner...

Most tunings can be compromised if repeatedly pounded, but I question whether a tech can discern whether it was that, the weather, or poor tuning stability on the part of the tuner. I personally would have gone with the weather, but if this tech wants to point blame at the piano player, (and payer), then I would stand back and wonder which of his feet he was going to shoot, next.

If the out of tunnels was due to a weather change, most of the unisons will exhibit the same departure, in that most of say, the left side strings were flat, most of the right side sharp, and the middle string usually in between, that sounds like a soundboard has changed and the strings are all affected the same way. A random departure, with strings all over being found wildly out of tune, sounds like a poor job of stability, loose pins, or both.

I don't think your playing is responsible of the treble being out.
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Malkin,

Precisely when was your last tuning appt?

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Originally Posted by Ed Foote
Tuning can be affected by play, yes. Particularly when there is a devotee of either Jerry Lee Lewis, or Rachmaninoff in the house with too much time and coffee and too little to do. Few players hit the keys as hard as the last check note from the tuner...

Most tunings can be compromised if repeatedly pounded, but I question whether a tech can discern whether it was that, the weather, or poor tuning stability on the part of the tuner.

Hello Ed. I'll have to admit, I myself am guilty regarding being a devotee of the Jerry Lee Lewis playing style. smile

I am a key pounder at times, when I'm really having fun with some Jerry Lee style boogie. On the other hand, I have also learned that the same hard key pounding can actually aid in helping to achieve good piano tuning stability, to an extent at least, just like the hard test blows from a good tuner.

However, I agree with you, I doubt malkin's piano playing knocked the piano out of tune quickly. It is, most likely, the change in the weather, to an extent, at least.

But, alas, despite good tuning stability, all acoustic piano will drift out of tune over time, hard playing or not.

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Dan Levitan observes, in his book The Craft of Piano Tuning:
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It seems that nothing will ever shake the conviction of most piano owners and players that the two things that make a piano go out of tune are 1) playing it and 2) moving it. This conviction persists in spite of the fact that most tuners are glad to inform their clients that a piano in reasonably good condition goes out of tune for two entirely different reasons: 1) because it is new, or newly restrung, and 2) because it underwent a change in humidity.

He does go on to discuss that in very light modern upright pianos with insubstantial casework, changing position on uneven floors MIGHT cause some shift in tuning.

In this instance, the tuner seems to share the wrong convction, unless as discussed, something got lost in being relayed.

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Malkin,

Precisely when was your last tuning appt?

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I can't remember precisely, but it was early to mid-March, when we were only a little nervous about having people breathe in our house.


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Laughing at "pounding." My teacher asks me sometimes if I am afraid of a monster inside the piano that will eat my hands if I play above mezzo forte.

Even my husband didn't think it was a criticism of my playing--more a reflection of, I don't know, maybe repetoire beyond primer level. Anyway, the conversation with hubby was sort of like he was praising my playing, but it didn't make sense to me. I asked for one clarification, but I'm old enough and have been married long enough to let it go when it still didn't mean anything to me. I'm still young enough and curious enough to come here an run it by you all. wink


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