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If only Yamaha spent a little less in marketing and a tad more in R&D, but then again, something like “we did the best we could; why don’t you try building a digital piano yourself“ would not fare well; so yes, marketing gibberish is here to stay.
The good news is that we can at least detect some of the BS at play, but many out there truly believe every word printed by Yamaha’s marketing gurus.
For god’s sake, the CLP-240 is basically indistinguishable from the real thing (touch and sound) according to Yamaha.
For a company to run, it has to 1/ design and make products, 2/ to sell them. I don’t think it costs a lot to propose a new acronym (RGE yesterday, RGE 2 now) and a rough explanation. The quite inaccurate marketing sentences (no sign of acceleration, not the phrasing word, a graph with a loudness vs velocity - which are too closely related), could even make me think some parts have been simplified by an apprentice.
I find the use of key acceleration quite innovative, but since I am not used to real pianos and their phrasing subtleties, I would perhaps have an hard time to appreciate the improvement.
The expected evolution is unlooped samples, but they will perhaps have to improve the architecture.
Last edited by Frédéric L; 08/12/2005:05 PM.
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I’m still trying to figure out what “AWM” is; never mind understanding the riddle that is “AWM2”. A lot of time and money must’ve gone into inventing these terms.
I can only imagine how much it cost to come up with RGE and then follow with RGE2. I never saw it coming (RGE2 after RGE), and that, my friend, is clever and expensive marketing.
AWM is Advanced Wave Memory. I guess it is a way of compressing samples to improve the use of the memory. I don’t know if AWM2 makes the memory use more efficient or add some filters, but I guess there is an improvement. (Note : SF2 soundfont have a cutoff filter modulated by velocity... we can expect AWM to have a similar scheme).
Sometimes, the improvement is easy to describe (Kawai uses longer samples between HI-XL and HI... but I don’t know if it is a +25% increase or +200%). Sometimes the improvement is difficult to describe, we have to try it by ourself, but I am sure there is more cost in R&D to improve RGE than to describe it. (The Yamaha description is so vague that it can’t be more costly than the R&D).
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From Advanced Wave Memory to Real Grand Expression. The first conveys advanced computing; the latter an espresso. So yes, you’re right, as of late, the money probably isn’t going into marketing.
But if it’s not going into marketing and it’s not going into R&D, then where is the money going?
I have told you, the marketing stuff could have been written by an apprentice. It is to vague to inform me about the improvement, I have to seek the MIDI implementation chart to understand, etc.
I am not sure nothing has been gone to the R&D. We have : key acceleration tone control (I don’t know other DP which supports it), touch sensitive key on higher models, a new keyboard (GrandTouch-S).
Note : when the money doesn’t go to a firm department (marketing, R&D...), it goes to shareholders.
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There is key acceleration but I don't know how they use that MIDI data.
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There is key acceleration but I don't know how they use that MIDI data.
It would be surprising that Yamaha developed an acceleration measure and not use it. The marketing chart (tonal variation) shows a 2 axis diagram (but written by the apprentice, it is quite vague). Then I deduce the tonal variation to take into account 2 parameters : velocity and acceleration.
I have proposed a video about the phrasing impact (tenuto, legato, staccato...), even with the damper pedal (no impact of the delay of each note). Unfortunately, it has been done on a Steinway and not on the newest CLP7xx.
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