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Originally Posted by Keybender
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I still can’t wrap my head around needing almost 300GB for one piano (I’m looking at you, VSL) in the age of shrinkage: small is the new large!

...not to mention the RAM and CPU resources, one needs a super-computer to run these beasts, yet my good ol’ ‘teq runs on a 1950s Casio calculator! wink

My VSL Vienna Imperial (light) installation was ~130GB I think while my ivory II italian grand installation is about 28GB. That's about 4.5 times as much space. As it happens this is about the factor that SSDs became cheaper between 2012(?), when ivory II was released.

So even the full library is comparatively only twice as outrageously large as ivory II was back then. If you compare how they sound and feel I'd say that's a pretty good deal!


Not to forget that those big libraries don't work in their full potential 'maxing' out.
Also, PianoTeq is a whole lot easier to use, because you can just pick a preset and it works.

But if you pick one of those big libraries, you have to fiddle until you don't get dropouts anymore.

If you like much attack / long sustain, those gigantic libraries often don't do it for you, except you only want to use a real small amount of those samples, but then whats the point ?

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It is hard to understand why a $30 smartphone has a nice color display and a $7000 N1X a little 3 digits LED display.

In general: absolutely right, in particular for the N1X.
But: are they worried about longevity maybe? I don't know how long a smartphone display lasts but I've seen decades old small displays. Readability under bright lighting might also be an issue.

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We should keep in mind that the manufacturers are not operating for the customers, but for the owners, and therefore they attempt to maximize their profit. They may be very skilled, or very inept at this, but all their actions should be seen in that light.

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It probably won't be Modarrt providing this, but my guess is this sort of technology will come, prevail, and destroy. And all shall love it, and despair.

QuasiUnaFantasia, this has to be my most favorite quote of the month!!!!!

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Not so sure about that. My Roland FANTOMX8 has been my bread and butter midi controller for many many years and if I’m not mistaken was one of the earliest synths to sport a really beautiful color display and it’s still working just fine. I turn it on everyday and work with it for 8-16 hours everyday composing.


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Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
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Originally Posted by Pete14
I still can’t wrap my head around needing almost 300GB for one piano (I’m looking at you, VSL) in the age of shrinkage: small is the new large!

...not to mention the RAM and CPU resources, one needs a super-computer to run these beasts, yet my good ol’ ‘teq runs on a 1950s Casio calculator! wink

My VSL Vienna Imperial (light) installation was ~130GB I think while my ivory II italian grand installation is about 28GB. That's about 4.5 times as much space. As it happens this is about the factor that SSDs became cheaper between 2012(?), when ivory II was released.

So even the full library is comparatively only twice as outrageously large as ivory II was back then. If you compare how they sound and feel I'd say that's a pretty good deal!


Not to forget that those big libraries don't work in their full potential 'maxing' out.
Also, PianoTeq is a whole lot easier to use, because you can just pick a preset and it works.

But if you pick one of those big libraries, you have to fiddle until you don't get dropouts anymore.

If you like much attack / long sustain, those gigantic libraries often don't do it for you, except you only want to use a real small amount of those samples, but then whats the point ?

The point is simply that it sounds great and is playable. The new Vienna Imperial plays as well and nuanced as pianoteq and just sound more organic. I only use the close mic from the light version and deleted the rest so now I´m left with only 30GB... It has 100ish velocity layers and I don't notice anything missing compared to pianoteq.

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....but you paid for the whole enchilada, so why only use 30GB?

Are you sure you wouldn’t want to load all the samples, mic perspectives, ambient lighting, bloopers, and bonus content just for the heck of it? wink

By the way, since when did 30GB become ‘small’?

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