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The Yamaha website now has the manual for the CLP-700 series on their website. It answers some of the questions and points of speculation in this thread, including the differences between models. However, things will be clearer when the first reviews start coming in. https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/m...nova/clp-785/downloads.html#product-tabs
About feelings, the best thing to do is try by yourself. I had an hard time to feel differences between Yamaha wooden keyboards (NWX, GrandTouch, GrandTouch with counterweight). I mean, I didn’t feel much difference (But AvantGrand/NWX is night and day and the same is about NWX/GH3X). Then I am sure that GrandTouch and GrandTouch will feel quite comparable under my finger.
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So the manual shows they have an SU7 sample but they do NOT have the fantastic U1 sample that's in the CP88. That's a huge let-down to me. The U1 sample was amazing
gonna guess the chopin piano is a Pleyel
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The sound of a piano made by a piano manufacturer in Paris in the 19th century. Chopin deeply loved the pianos of this manufacturer, which responded well to his sensitive touch. It has a sound like a singing voice, sometimes luscious, sometimes mournful.
I don't see negative comments about these pianos. I see skepticism over the claims or expectations that they will be newer, bigger, better.
Originally Posted by rmnd
Well - hate to rain on the the troll parade, my suggestion would be to create a diferent "Let's be negative on a piano nobody has seen and I don't want to buy thread" for those posts.
- New Yamaha CFX and Bösendorfer Imperial piano samples, new Yamaha CFX and Bösendorfer binaural sampling - 38 voices, including 2 fortepiano voices (Mozart Piano/Chopin Piano) - Improved VRM (Virtual Resonance Modeling) - Grand Expression Modeling - GrandTouch-S™ keyboard with synthetic ebony and ivory keytops - 30 W x 2 amplifiers - 16 cm x 2 speaker system - USB Audio Recorder (Playback/Recording: WAV) - 20 rhythms - Smart Pianist App integration
To my mind the big news is in "New CFX and Bosendorfer Imperial samples".
These could be a Kawai-style UPHI to HI-XL type deal where the basic sample sessions are the same and the same original recordings are used but they reconfigure them in some way. But it could be derived from a new recording session.
So, to recap:
New samples + new keyboard action + new sound engine and/or expression modelling + improved resonance modelling.
And still no one is happy. Everyone bitching away, slagging Yamaha off. No one has played one. Almost no one wants to give them a chance.
I'm thinking this has got to be a symptom of some wider malaise with life in general.
Thank you EssBrace. I am in almost full agreement. There is far too much bitching, but not by ‘everyone’. I am looking forward to getting more information and eventually a full test drive to allow me to make up my own mind. I just ignore the mindless bitching. I have owned both Yamaha and Kawai digital pianos, all of them good, but none of them perfect. As the saying goes, accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. I look forward to constructive feedback from members who are interested enough to actually try the pianos when they arrive, and hopefully you will be one of them.
I've ridiculed Yamaha quite a fair bit. The reason is that when I first went to test their instruments, I had great expectations - mostly because of the Bösendorfer sampling, since I am a Bösendorfer fan - but the action on both the 675 and 685 were so artificial, so unlike any acoustic I had ever played, that it seemed to me as if Yamaha were not at all trying to simulate the feel of an acoustic. I felt deceived, although it was of no direct relevance to me, since I was in the market for something much cheaper. Ultimately I got the Roland FP-30, whose action I considered (and still consider) vastly superior to that of the CLP-685.
Physical instruments: Roland FP-30, and E-28 Virtual instruments: "The Experience" piano collection, NI "The Maverick", Galaxy II Grand piano collection, Synthogy Ivory II Studio Grands, Production Voices Estate Grand, Garritan CFX Lite, Pianoteq 7.5.2 Focus: 1850±100 years
No new action, only grandtouch-S on lower models... The higher models have the same grandtouch action as in the clp 600 series.
Yamaha have changed their GH-action throughout the years (slightly but still) without any confirmation about that. Without testing the new action, we don't know for sure if it's exactly the same. For instance I also hated the CLP-675 action, the initial friction was unnatural to me. Maybe they reduced that friction without having to come up with new name for the action, or use versioning like Kawai actions.
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