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Analysis is worthwhile ... when starting with good data.

But to perform analysis on bullcrudish marketing banter and press release trash is like trying to mine gold in a septic tank.
Originally Posted by CyberGene
There's something new this time:

[quote]Grand Expression Modeling ... <2020-revision of seller's same-old banter> ...

I'm trying to understand it. To me it sounds like they may have recreated the possibility of playing leggiero and similar other techniques. We've discussed ...

The seller's quoted material is crap. It's like a Jedi mind trick. The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

Resist! Either put fingers on their keyboard. Or, lacking that ... just ignore.

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It's 2020 and we're still getting the kind of LCD screen from the 90s...


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Well, maybe I exhibited wishful thinking on my side. But the Yamaha commercial BS is suspiciously similar to what I have tried to guess. And if theoretically they implemented what I've been complaining about ('till I'm blue in the mouth) about the lack of escapement, etc., they might have actually worked around the problem by providing better software detection which would at least partially solve through a software the inherent hardware problem of digital piano actions lacking escapement. That would be good news for digital piano owners smile Or just BS.


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I vote for BS!

And about the interface, no, it’s not a touch screen, but rather a touch-sensitive one with a fixed template! What a marvel of technology.........Not!

I’m suing Yamaha! Who’s with me? grin

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I was already going to sue Yamaha for that horrible control panel on the AvantGrand series before this laugh


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404 Excitement not found. It still sounds like the same Sampling from the older models. I doubt the GrandTouch(S) has been improved alot. Feels like another cheap shot by Yamaha to sell the same Crap over and over.

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Originally Posted by Tyr
404 Excitement not found.

May I have your permission to borrow that and use with impunity? It’s brilliant!


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Originally Posted by Tyr
It still sounds like the same Sampling from the older models.

The funny thing about "new samples" is that the pianos they sample haven't changed.

So what has?

Yamaha has been one of the leading manufacturers of professional audio gear for several decades already, so are they still only learning how to record a piano?

Have the previous samples been substandard somehow?

Did they use the wrong type of microphones in the wrong positions?

What new did they learn since the previous sampling session?

Are they admitting that the older Clavinovas are flawed?

😉

(Of course the binaural Bösendorfer is actually a new thing.)

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A new sampling will be needed if they came up with multichannel speakers or something that required special sampling. For instance, the 4-channel sampling in the N1X is made so that it suits the speaker system of the N1X. When mixed down to stereo it is not very convincing. Which is also why through headphones only the CFX Binaural is good whereas the Bosendorfer and CFX stereo-mixdown versions are rather bland.

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404 Excitement not found.

May I have your permission to borrow that and use with impunity? It’s brilliant!

Sure. Have fun. wink


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Good one.
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404 Excitement not found.
Feels like another cheap shot by Yamaha to sell the same crap over and over.
Indeed ... if you read the ad-copy from thirty years ago you see the same claims. The same BS.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf
It's 2020 and we're still getting the kind of LCD screen from the 90s...

This LCD has appeared 6 years ago (CLP5xx). It was a revolution : the CLP4xx (Excepted the 480) had a 3 digits LED display... then don’t be impatient !


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Sweet Jesus, the negativity, from people who haven't seen one, heard one or played one is just overwhelming. The 600 series Clavinova was entirely competitive with the best of whatever else was available at the same price points - personal taste dictates choices between Yamaha, Roland and Kawai for home console pianos.

Now comes the 700 series with certain enhancements/changes - the real world effects of which we don't yet know. So give it a break guys. This forum is getting very boring. Either that or my tolerance for it all seems to have deserted me. Speculating is fine...it's all we can do anyway...but to just indiscriminately plunge the knife in is not helpful to anyone.

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Why is everyone saying its a new action... Its the same overly heavy grandtouch, yamaha have ignored all feedback as predicted, they lost a loyal customer in me, I'll be opting for kawai now.

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The "GrandTouch-S" in the lower end models is new.

But does the "S" mean short or stiff?

Maybe it's short AND stiff. 😄

But seriously, we don't really know much yet -- like said above -- so let's wait and see.

There's quite much new actually at least at the specification and "marketing jargon" level.

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...maybe it’s short AND stiff AND sh*t!

Okay, now we’ve really upset EssBrace. wink

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Call me a hopeless optimist but I believe in that Grand Expression Modeling and I think they implemented it through changes in sensor design and/or positioning and/or scanning, etc. And to allow for that, they made changes to the existing action which were also translated into the lower end models, hence the GrandTouch-S which probably omits mechanical luxuries (from the specs it seems the GrandTouch-S doesn't contain wood, for instance) but retains the realistic behavior. But I'm a Yamaha guy now, so I'm mild-mannered with them wink Let's see.


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I just want to know 1 thing.

HOW BIG are these new Touch-S pivots ? Ya got 1 chance to wow the crowd. Don't blow it yamaha.

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I think the "S" in "GrandTouch-S" stands for "sissy". Only the more expensive models require a real man's strength* to depress the keys.

*Or the use of additional tools, like hammers, clubs, etc.


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I also think the marketing department is unfairly criticized.

Imagine just for a moment that I'm right with my theory about the leggiero stuff, the trills and the "punching bag" effect, etc. How many of you actually got what I describe, the mumbo-jumbo, what the problem is, what the solution is and why that is important? smile I know for sure that only a bunch of regulars here know what I'm talking about. So, again, imagine the engineers at Yamaha came up with these solutions. And that needs to be marketed. Do you believe there's any possible way of communicating that to the regular piano buyer without confusing them and at the same time being clear, concise and deep enough to give a few nerds on an Internet forum all the needed information about how they implemented something very special? No need for this negativity indeed.

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