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Ivory II - American Concert D - €/$ 149.00 (€/$ 50 off of regular price €/$ 199)
Ivory II - Italian Grand - €/$ 129.00 (€/$ 50 off of regular price €/$ 179)

Valid from June 15th - July 15th, 2020.


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This is highly confusing. I have verified your prices at Sweetwater, but Bestservice in Europe sell the ACD for € 109, and the Italian Grand for € 89 (roughly equivalent to $123 and $100 respectively, unless I have miscalculated). These prices are much lower, and they are also stated as a "Deal" valid until July 15th.


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This is highly confusing. I have verified your prices at Sweetwater, but Bestservice in Europe sell the ACD for € 109, and the Italian Grand for € 89 (roughly equivalent to $123 and $100 respectively, unless I have miscalculated). These prices are much lower, and they are also stated as a "Deal" valid until July 15th.

I would not say it confusing. Its different markets and different retailers so they can charge different prices. You just get a better deal at bestservice.

Also sounds like a great deal smile

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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This is highly confusing. I have verified your prices at Sweetwater, but Bestservice in Europe sell the ACD for € 109, and the Italian Grand for € 89 (roughly equivalent to $123 and $100 respectively, unless I have miscalculated). These prices are much lower, and they are also stated as a "Deal" valid until July 15th.

Can you provide the link? This sounds like a very good offer.
Thomann, ILIO, and bestservice.com do not show these low prices.

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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This is highly confusing. I have verified your prices at Sweetwater, but Bestservice in Europe sell the ACD for € 109, and the Italian Grand for € 89 (roughly equivalent to $123 and $100 respectively, unless I have miscalculated). These prices are much lower, and they are also stated as a "Deal" valid until July 15th.

Can you provide the link? This sounds like a very good offer.
Thomann, ILIO, and bestservice.com do not show these low prices.

https://www.bestservice.com/virtual_instruments/pianos.html


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LOL, you French are lucky then:
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Btw... I heard good stuff about these but just bought the VSL D-274 so I really have to try to not get tempted especially by another Steinway 😁

But how is the Italian grand and does the Steinway sound different enough to warrant them both (ACD + VSL D-274?)

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LOL, you French are lucky then:
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I live in Sweden and get the lower prices. Vladk try setting euro as your currency.

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LOL, you French are lucky then:
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I think it goes for everone. You can pick your desired currency at the top of the page. When I do that, I get these three prices for the Italian Grand:

$129
€89
£79

Just pick currency wisely. smile


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VladK, you're trying to kill my wallet!!

So far, I have the NI Noire and I like it pretty well.

I'm getting the demo of the VSL Bosendorfer Imperial (once my licensing USB device arrives) and am considering it since it's at an introductory price.

Now you have kindly let us know about a few others (did I get these % right?!):
-Signature Grand by Simple Sam Samples ($80 -> $50), $30 off, 60% discount
-Ivory II American Concert D (this post) - ($200 -> $149?) $50 off, 33%
-Ivory II Italian Grand (this post) - ($179 -> $129?) $50 off, 39%
-VSL Bosendorfer Imperial Standard - introductory price: $320 -> $236 (~$85 off), 35%
-VSL Bosendorfer Imperial Full - introductory price: $608 -> $445 (~$163 off), 35%

Where will it end?! smile

Now... I don't want to start a religious war by asking "which one is MOST worth it"... from a purely economic standpoint, the VSL Bosendorfer seems like it has the most to offer as a library, but of course at a heftier cost.

I gather that the Simple Sam Samples, from other threads, is okay for a VST; and, for the price category, is very good.

Others have loved, hated, and then loved again the Ivory II American Concert D. (I've not seen a lot about the Italian Grand; however, I'll admit that I haven't paid a huge amount of attention).

So basically... if I have NI Noire, and think it's pretty good... and if I am going to spend a few more dollars.. I have to make a decision.

I wonder - do the VSLs go on sale periodically, for 35% off as this introductory price is? Because if that's a good library, and the Ivory II's go on sale for these prices 1x or 2x a year, it may be worth it to wait for a future sale on the Ivory II's.


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All right, these smart guys use tracking cookies, and when I opened bestservice.com in Firefox with tracking blocked I can also see €109 for ACD and €89 for Italian!
But when I add them to shopping card - the price is back to $149/$129. And It doesnot allow me to change currency (and I am not logged in).

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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Btw... I heard good stuff about these but just bought the VSL D-274 so I really have to try to not get tempted especially by another Steinway 😁

But how is the Italian grand and does the Steinway sound different enough to warrant them both (ACD + VSL D-274?)

I have the ACD and had VSL D-274 for about 10 days before requesting a refund. Even though they are two different Steinway's (European and American) there is a similarity to the sound, though they are not the same. I preferred the VSL D-274 but it was not so much better than ACD that in the end I felt I couldn't justify it. ACD does have nice und-corda samples and I think the pedalling is implemented well for ACD. But honestly if I was in your situation and knowing what I do now I don't think I'd feel the need to buy ACD.

I cannot comment on the Italian Grand, and I'd be interested in hearing peoples experience of it.

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Originally Posted by VladK
LOL, you French are lucky then:

Many Frenchy could feel lucky, but I have already purchased them at 169 and 159€...


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The Italian Grand is not worth it IMHO, can't even remember what was wrong with it, I tried it a couple of times after buying it and regretted it. Meeehhhhh

But the American Concert D is still worth it for the sake of playability, still one of the best playable piano VSTs around in my opinion, although the sound quality is not as good as others. The resonances are particularly lacking, and the note decay is way too short. But still worth it if you wanna shell out some more cash.

Also keep in mind according to their license agreemen you cannot resell these in the future. You're stuck with the license.

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To be honest, I think the NI Noire is such an absolutely great instrument. It really has a soul, I don't feel only mathematics and samples when playing it. And I even didn't touch the crazy effects sections so far. I got it for 75 in the introduction phase. A total no brainer. I like it as much as the garritan tbh.


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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
The Italian Grand is not worth it IMHO, can't even remember what was wrong with it, I tried it a couple of times after buying it and regretted it. Meeehhhhh

But the American Concert D is still worth it for the sake of playability, still one of the best playable piano VSTs around in my opinion, although the sound quality is not as good as others. The resonances are particularly lacking, and the note decay is way too short. But still worth it if you wanna shell out some more cash.

Also keep in mind according to their license agreemen you cannot resell these in the future. You're stuck with the license.

Hmm. This makes ACD very tempting to get. I still have the VSL 274D, but have until the end of the month to decide if I want to keep it. I love it and it would be the only steinway I'd need...BUT it is a resource hog and I've been having the red flashing CPU from time to time. It's weird..sometimes I can play for long periods of 30 min or more and no issues, then others it goes out after 5 minutes and I have to restart the synchron player.

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If you would have to choose between those two, I'd keep the VSL one honestly. The ACD only has one mic perspective (which gets modified for the "audience" setting or however it's called). Even if you were to run the VSL Steinway with one single mic, you'd have the equivalent kind of mic setting. And the VSL one has true resonances. It's just that it still sounds so cold to me, not like a Steinway at all in my opinion. The ACD has a much warmer sound. But it is really lacking in the note decays and resonances. If this is no problem for you, and if you want a warmer sound, then I would recommend the ACD.

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I have the Italian grand and rarely use it although it doesn't sound bad at all.
It sounds maybe marginally better than ravenscroft (which I prefer overall) but has absolutely nothing on VSL BI.
If you count playability, it loses out completely.

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