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I'm ready to buy a grand piano once we move into our new house in a couple of months. It's gonna be placed in a 5m x 6.5m open living area with 6m ceiling(void).
After doing a bit research, I've narrowed the choice down to Yamaha c3x and Kawai gx3 or possibly sk2. Most info I gathered on pricing are from the US, so I'm not too sure how much a price difference I should expect.
Here are a few question I have, any suggestions are appreciated.
1. Are these models suitable for the area I have?
2. 40% off retail price(not MSRP) achievable and reasonable for these models?
3. I'm based in Brisbane, is it a bad idea to buy from interstate retailer?

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Hopefully one of our Australian contributors will see this and help. I’m pretty sure the US market prices will bear little resemblance to your market prices, and from what I’ve been told, not in a good way...


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I'm in Adelaide, so no expert on Brisbane.

Here in Adelaide, we have two piano shops worth looking at. Just Googled Yamaha C3X. Winston's is advertising a new C3X for Just under $58k. PianoMax has an as new C3EPE for just under $20k.

That's a big difference in price.

My advice would be to check out the main piano stores in Brissy and build up a relationship with the salespeople. See what they can do on price once they realise you are a serious buyer and see what is in stock.

Most importantly, you need to play the instruments and hope that you fall in love with one. Looking and trying out is half the fun. And keep an open mind.

Interstate travel is a bit of a drama in Australia at the moment, as you well know. Buying interstate in the near future just not worth it.

Good luck with your purchase.

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Thanks for the info, that's exactly what I'm afraid of seeing, giant price gap between different dealers. I've seen C3X at $41k on a dealer's website based in Melbourne, that would be a good reference when I go to my local stores.
Definitely gonna try them out before buying, just want to make sure I'm not paying too much in case I fall in love with the piano and put a deposit on the spot.

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Originally Posted by SlowCar
[...]just want to make sure I'm not paying too much in case I fall in love with the piano and put a deposit on the spot.

The best defense against an impulsive move like that is to leave your cheque book and your credit cards (all of them!) at home! Happy shopping.

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[...]just want to make sure I'm not paying too much in case I fall in love with the piano and put a deposit on the spot.

The best defense against an impulsive move like that is to leave your cheque book and your credit cards (all of them!) at home! Happy shopping.

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Haha, that is exactly what I did when we went back to play again the Kawai we've just purchased. But then my wife, who had already fallen in love with it, announced that she had brought my carefully left behind wallet with her 'just in case' :-)

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After a bit of research and calling around, these are the offers I've found:
C3X brand new: $40,000
2016 c3x demo: $36,000
2018 c5x demo: $42,000
2018 c6x demo: $46,000

Thoughts?

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[...]just want to make sure I'm not paying too much in case I fall in love with the piano and put a deposit on the spot.

The best defense against an impulsive move like that is to leave your cheque book and your credit cards (all of them!) at home! Happy shopping.

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Haha, that is exactly what I did when we went back to play again the Kawai we've just purchased. But then my wife, who had already fallen in love with it, announced that she had brought my carefully left behind wallet with her 'just in case' :-)

Sounds like your wife knows you well, and vice versa. wink


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Originally Posted by SlowCar
After a bit of research and calling around, these are the offers I've found:
C3X brand new: $40,000
2016 c3x demo: $36,000
2018 c5x demo: $42,000
2018 c6x demo: $46,000

Thoughts?

Which ones have you played? Not all c3x/c5x c6x's are the same.

I have an early 80's Yamaha C7. I bought it after trading in my mid-80's Grotrian 192. Although I had the Grotrian for a long time and it was a beautifully made piano, it suffered from a very heavy, unresponsive action. It was generally hard work and none of my playing friends liked it either. Well, one day I went to have a look at a piano with a friend, and while in the shop, I couldn't help trying out the pianos. The C7 blew me away. Beautiful rich, clear tone and an action that was everything I was looking for. The build quality of the C7 is not as good as the Grotrian, but who cares. Got a good trade-in price on the Grotrian and the decision was made. Although I did not intend to buy a piano, this one was just too good to pass up. Should have done it years ago.

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Originally Posted by SlowCar
After a bit of research and calling around, these are the offers I've found:
C3X brand new: $40,000
2016 c3x demo: $36,000
2018 c5x demo: $42,000
2018 c6x demo: $46,000

Thoughts?
By "demo" do you mean a floor model? These are generally considered "new" pianos but if they have been on the dealer's floor a long time may sell at a discount vs. a "brand new" piano. Many would say there is absolutely no disadvantage in buying a piano that has been on the dealer's floor a long time and, in fact, there may be an advantage because it may have had more tunings and other work done on it. If a piano has been on the dealer's floor a "long" time it could be that it doesn't appeal to many people(but it might appeal to you) or it could be pure chance.

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Yes. Can we get a clarification as to what “demo” means? Floor model in a store where the inventory is looked after = absolutely no problem. Rented out and moved for events and concerts = get it thoroughly checked out before proceeding.


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According to the dealer, they are floor demos imported from Japan showroom. But to be honest, this particular dealer doesn't sound like the most honest salesperson to me when he told me people are not allowed to sit down and demo the piano extensively in showrooms in Japan.

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According to the dealer, they are floor demos imported from Japan showroom. But to be honest, this particular dealer doesn't sound like the most honest salesperson to me when he told me people are not allowed to sit down and demo the piano extensively in showrooms in Japan.

Your username and references to "demo" models suggest that you might thinking about pianos in the same way as buying a car, where you expect a discount on a demonstrator model because it's got a few k's on the clock, maybe a scratch or two and it's probably been thrashed from cold on test drives.

But a piano doesn't work that way. If a demo piano has been looked after properly on a showroom floor it can be better than a brand new one from the factory. It will have been tuned a few times and be starting to stabilise. If a customer has complained about a few notes sounding a bit dull or bright or keys a bit heavy or light the tech will have fixed those up. If it's been played a bit the hammer felts will have compacted a little and the piano will sound more like how it will for the next 20 years than a brand new one would.

You can argue you should pay more for a demo model!

If the dealer has different prices this will be due far more to supply and demand and how keen he is to sell than due to the actual state of the pianos.


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Originally Posted by SlowCar
After a bit of research and calling around, these are the offers I've found:
C3X brand new: $40,000
2016 c3x demo: $36,000
2018 c5x demo: $42,000
2018 c6x demo: $46,000

Thoughts?

Seems like new is worth the extra bit.

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I appreciate the fact that a "demo" can be better than a brand new one from factory. This "demo" c5x is interstate and it's impossible to try it out with current travel restrictions. So I'm leaning more toward a brand new one.
Went into another local dealer today, and got quoted AUD$43,000 for a brand new C5X.

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Originally Posted by SlowCar
I appreciate the fact that a "demo" can be better than a brand new one from factory. This "demo" c5x is interstate and it's impossible to try it out with current travel restrictions. So I'm leaning more toward a brand new one.
Went into another local dealer today, and got quoted AUD$43,000 for a brand new C5X.
If you're stretching that far, I'd try to audition a C6X if you can. The C6X is a whole different beast compared to the C5X - like, really in a different league as a piano. Not many people have even seen a C6X, but I've played 4 or 5 in my life and they blew the C5Xs sitting next to them out of the water.

By the way, what state are you in?

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I appreciate the fact that a "demo" can be better than a brand new one from factory. This "demo" c5x is interstate and it's impossible to try it out with current travel restrictions. So I'm leaning more toward a brand new one.
Went into another local dealer today, and got quoted AUD$43,000 for a brand new C5X.
If you're stretching that far, I'd try to audition a C6X if you can. The C6X is a whole different beast compared to the C5X - like, really in a different league as a piano. Not many people have even seen a C6X, but I've played 4 or 5 in my life and they blew the C5Xs sitting next to them out of the water.

By the way, what state are you in?

I'm in QLD.
After a bit of research, lots of people do suggest that there's a more noticeable difference between C5X vs C6X than C3X vs C5X. Let's see if I can find a C6X to audition.

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Just ordered a new C6X, thanks everyone for the suggestions.

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Originally Posted by SlowCar
Just ordered a new C6X, thanks everyone for the suggestions.

To try, or to buy? Are you going to buy it without having tried it?

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