2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad) Piano Sight Reading
train piano sight reading with your iPhone or iPad
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
61 members (Ampersand, A789, Arjen B, 8ude, Alex Hutor, anotherscott, 10 invisible), 562 guests, and 544 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#2962009 03/30/20 05:58 PM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 138
M
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 138
Very happy with upgrade but 1rst D below middle C has a blend of highest C# plain as day. I think that's called a flying harmonic which WDCO refers to as Mike error. That's not the only one but it's definately the worst. I think F right above D also has a touch of harmonic mike error. I don't notice them that much while playing but Bach and scales you can hear them. Still love this piano though only time will tell if I start to focus on them and let them bother me. Any comments? By the way when I run Cfx Standalone I can hear it with no problem on my laptop speakers too.


Rme BabyFace Pro, Dynaudio BM6-ll, Garritan CFX Full, Vienna Imperial, Truekeys American Grand, Modern U, Cantabile Solo 2, Hauptwerk Pipe Organ Vst, VB3 Hammond Vst and SPIN Leslie Vst, Yamaha CP33 and Novation Impulse 61
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 276
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 276
Every piano is imperfect by definition. A perfect instrument would produce only sine waves -- but probably you will not want such an instrument.

The question is, can a player apply a given instrument for performing music and for making it beautifully sounding. Try to concentrate on the former, and to apply for this the instrument as a whole, including its imperfections, which sometimes may define the instrument individuality rather than be annoying.

Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,298
L
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,298
I am not much of an expert on these virtual instruments but most of the time I hear Garritan CFX I like the way it sounds.


When you play, never mind who listens to you. R.Schumann.

Casio GP-400
Schimmel SP-182T "I wish I had the room to keep you around"
August Forster 215
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 171
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by Andrew_G
A perfect instrument would produce only sine waves

Nope, I don't think so.

Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 116
S
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 116
I really want to like Garritan CFX but the envelope of hiss around each note ruins it for me. It is highly dependent on the type of speakers and headphones though. I like a bright and revealing sound so it is probably more apparent on my setup but I'm not the only one who faces this problem with the Garritan.

NI Noire, on the other hand, is far more to my liking with its cleanly recorded and beautifully voiced CFX.

Last edited by Smaug; 04/01/20 05:29 AM.
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,883
6000 Post Club Member
Online Content
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,883
Originally Posted by Smaug
I really want to like Garritan CFX but the envelope of hiss around each note ruins it for me. It is highly dependent on the type of speakers and headphones though. I like a bright and revealing sound so it is probably more apparent on my setup but I'm not the only one who faces this problem with the Garritan.


I would agree with that, however I had a bit of luck that I used Sennheiser HD650 with Garritan CFX since the beginning and their dark character attenuates the hiss. But moving to any other headphones I have makes the hiss more audible.


My YouTube, My Soundcloud
Currently: Yamaha N1X, DIY hybrid controller -> Garritan CFX
Previously: NU1X, ES7, MP6, CA63, RD-700SX, CDP-100, FP-5, P90, SP-200
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
Originally Posted by Smaug
I really want to like Garritan CFX but the envelope of hiss around each note ruins it for me. It is highly dependent on the type of speakers and headphones though. I like a bright and revealing sound so it is probably more apparent on my setup but I'm not the only one who faces this problem with the Garritan.

NI Noire, on the other hand, is far more to my liking with its cleanly recorded and beautifully voiced CFX.


I have the lite version... I used it few times 'cause I really can't stand the background hiss, so I unistalled it.
I can hear it with both my Audio Technica ATH-M50X and my Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO headphones.

Last edited by orcoaffamato; 04/01/20 12:51 PM.

Schimmel 130T / Yamaha P-515 / Nord Stage 3 HP 76 / Crumar Mojo 61 / Dexibell VIVO P3 / Pioneer Toraiz AS-1 / Nord Lead A1R & Rack 3 / ASM Hydrasynth Keyboard & Desktop / Hauptwerk 4 Advanced Edition / Arturia V Collection 7 & Pigments / KORG Collection 2
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 5,437
G
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
G
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 5,437
Originally Posted by CyberGene

I would agree with that, however I had a bit of luck that I used Sennheiser HD650 with Garritan CFX since the beginning and their dark character attenuates the hiss. But moving to any other headphones I have makes the hiss more audible.


I've only ever used HD598s with Garritan CFX, and the hiss has never been noticeable during regular use. From what you've said, I probably lucked out with my initial selection of headphone smile


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50, Kawai MP11 || Kawai NV-10
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,867
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,867
I did a clean install of Windows 10 and Garritan CFX earlier this year. The irritating background hiss seems much reduced and no longer irritating to me. Using the same digital piano, same computer, same interface, same headphones.

This is completely subjective and unverifiable so I would call BS on anyone else proposing this witchcraft lol.

That said, the Garritan CFX software is a bit wonky and reinstalling Garritan CFX only takes a few minutes. Clean reinstall of Windows is a bigger project.

Given the cost of CFX and all the extra time most of our hands, reinstall might be worth a try vs binning the software.

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 431
J
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
J
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 431
Originally Posted by Smaug
I really want to like Garritan CFX but the envelope of hiss around each note ruins it for me. It is highly dependent on the type of speakers and headphones though. I like a bright and revealing sound so it is probably more apparent on my setup but I'm not the only one who faces this problem with the Garritan.

NI Noire, on the other hand, is far more to my liking with its cleanly recorded and beautifully voiced CFX.


Does Noire work with the free version of Kontakt?

Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 132
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 132
Originally Posted by JoeThePro
Originally Posted by Smaug
I really want to like Garritan CFX but the envelope of hiss around each note ruins it for me. It is highly dependent on the type of speakers and headphones though. I like a bright and revealing sound so it is probably more apparent on my setup but I'm not the only one who faces this problem with the Garritan.

NI Noire, on the other hand, is far more to my liking with its cleanly recorded and beautifully voiced CFX.


Does Noire work with the free version of Kontakt?


yes

Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 473
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 473
I think the CFX lite that I have now sounds great. I have not heard any hiss to my knowledge and I’m using audio-technica ath-50x headphones.

Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 138
M
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 138
I hear no hiss at all (white noise I think everyone is referring to) Please can somebody else play their d below middle c and tell me if it doesn't cause a sympathetic harmonic highest c# it's plain as day in my room. MooganDavid


Rme BabyFace Pro, Dynaudio BM6-ll, Garritan CFX Full, Vienna Imperial, Truekeys American Grand, Modern U, Cantabile Solo 2, Hauptwerk Pipe Organ Vst, VB3 Hammond Vst and SPIN Leslie Vst, Yamaha CP33 and Novation Impulse 61
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
Originally Posted by MooganDavid
I hear no hiss at all (white noise I think everyone is referring to) Please can somebody else play their d below middle c and tell me if it doesn't cause a sympathetic harmonic highest c# it's plain as day in my room. MooganDavid


I reinstalled Garritan CFX Lite to give it a second try and:
- The hiss is always there. You can hear it when you play softly and it disappears only if you set the hi at -12dB in the EQ;
- I can hear too the symphatetic harmonic if I play D3 and I keep it down.


Schimmel 130T / Yamaha P-515 / Nord Stage 3 HP 76 / Crumar Mojo 61 / Dexibell VIVO P3 / Pioneer Toraiz AS-1 / Nord Lead A1R & Rack 3 / ASM Hydrasynth Keyboard & Desktop / Hauptwerk 4 Advanced Edition / Arturia V Collection 7 & Pigments / KORG Collection 2
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,673
U
1000 Post Club Member
Online Content
1000 Post Club Member
U
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,673
I never noticed any hiss on my $30 superlux headphones or my jbl lsr 305 speakers with the garritan cfx. (the jbl's have a slight hiss of themselves, which is annoying, I wouldn't recommend them for piano.)

That said I think it sounds kind of artificial, and have the feeling the samples are processed somehow, I don't know, but hardly use it because of this.

Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 276
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 276
Concerning Noire mentioned here:

Are there audio demos of classical and/or modern piano music, played on this instrument, which allow one to evaluate its applicability as a pure piano? What I found is either combination with other instruments/effects (which hide the strength of the piano itself), or audio demos that sound too processed to be applicable for piano music.

Garritan CFX and other popular plugins (like Ravenscroft 275 or VSL pianos) have plenty of easily available pure piano demos, which demonstrate the specific features of the piano end its playability.

Noire does not: this is suspicious concerning its applicability. Am I missing something?

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 840
M
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
M
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 840
I'm just not that big of fan of the CFX. I have to equalize the bass (too thin) and I don't do that with any other virtual piano, and I think there is generally too much resonance (set to minimum so can't be lowered) whereas I'm usually increasing the resonance on other pianos, and there is some strange honkiness in the middle octave that I find disturbing. So although I like it on some pieces I like to play, generally I don't.


Macy

CVP-409GP, Garritan CFX, Vintage D, Ivory II GP's & American Concert D, Pianoteq, True Keys American D, Ravenscroft 275, Garritan Authorized Steinway, Alicia's Keys, EWQL Pianos, MainStage, iPad Pro/forScore/PageFlip Cicada, Custom Mac MIDI/Audio Software Design, Macs Everywhere
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 789
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 789
Originally Posted by MooganDavid
I hear no hiss at all (white noise I think everyone is referring to) Please can somebody else play their d below middle c and tell me if it doesn't cause a sympathetic harmonic highest c# it's plain as day in my room. MooganDavid

No audible hiss for me even on quietly played big Chords and maximum cranked volume: +24dB in voicemeeter! Better NOT hit them keys now or cans will explode. laugh

highest #C:
[Linked Image]

D3:
[Linked Image]

As you can see, 2.2kHz is definitely in there with all the other harmonics but it isn't particularly emphasized.
Maybe your equipment has a peak at that frequency and highlights it further.


The backbone of modern industrial society is, and for the foreseeable future will be, the use of electrical Power.
VPC 1 -> Pianoteq 7 Std | Garritan CFX / Pearl Alto Flute 201
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 132
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 132
Originally Posted by Andrew_G
Concerning Noire mentioned here:

Are there audio demos of classical and/or modern piano music, played on this instrument, which allow one to evaluate its applicability as a pure piano? What I found is either combination with other instruments/effects (which hide the strength of the piano itself), or audio demos that sound too processed to be applicable for piano music.

Garritan CFX and other popular plugins (like Ravenscroft 275 or VSL pianos) have plenty of easily available pure piano demos, which demonstrate the specific features of the piano end its playability.

Noire does not: this is suspicious concerning its applicability. Am I missing something?


I think here is a good demo. NOIRE vs Ravenscroft vs Keyscape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2G0xMRdjDM

Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 65
I recorded Garritan CFX Lite from C3 to C5 with EQ (HI at -12) off and then on.
Velocity is set to 48, but I can hear it from 1 to 60.


Schimmel 130T / Yamaha P-515 / Nord Stage 3 HP 76 / Crumar Mojo 61 / Dexibell VIVO P3 / Pioneer Toraiz AS-1 / Nord Lead A1R & Rack 3 / ASM Hydrasynth Keyboard & Desktop / Hauptwerk 4 Advanced Edition / Arturia V Collection 7 & Pigments / KORG Collection 2
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Couch to Concert Hall
Couch to Concert Hall
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
cheap sponge instead of felt?
by chopin_r_us - 05/14/21 05:17 AM
First International Stretto Piano Festival
by Rhonda B - 05/14/21 04:19 AM
Kurzweil SP88X
by Micahjd - 05/14/21 02:24 AM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics206,924
Posts3,093,386
Members101,516
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5