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Quite frankly, If I were a student and I were asked which piano I preferred to play, I would expect that piano to be in my living room. I would resent any substitutions unless I agreed to them. ... and I would want to kick the piano when I saw it.
True, but in this case we're talking about a seven year old child. And, quite frankly, if I had that entitled attitude when I was young my folks probably wouldn't have bought anything for me. As it was, I was grateful for the old $300 McPhail upright they did purchase for me when I was 12 - with the caveat that I would get a job and pay for my lessons - which I did for the next five years.


I wasn’t given an option about what I played as a kid; I had a very old console. But if I would have been asked to try out pianos, then that would have been a different perspective.


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Quite frankly, If I were a student and I were asked which piano I preferred to play, I would expect that piano to be in my living room. I would resent any substitutions unless I agreed to them. ... and I would want to kick the piano when I saw it.
True, but in this case we're talking about a seven year old child. And, quite frankly, if I had that entitled attitude when I was young my folks probably wouldn't have bought anything for me. As it was, I was grateful for the old $300 McPhail upright they did purchase for me when I was 12 - with the caveat that I would get a job and pay for my lessons - which I did for the next five years.


I wasn’t given an option about what I played as a kid; I had a very old console. But if I would have been asked to try out pianos, then that would have been a different perspective.
Understood. But how old were you when you would have been capable of making an informed decision? smile


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Originally Posted by Carey
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Quite frankly, If I were a student and I were asked which piano I preferred to play, I would expect that piano to be in my living room. I would resent any substitutions unless I agreed to them. ... and I would want to kick the piano when I saw it.
True, but in this case we're talking about a seven year old child. And, quite frankly, if I had that entitled attitude when I was young my folks probably wouldn't have bought anything for me. As it was, I was grateful for the old $300 McPhail upright they did purchase for me when I was 12 - with the caveat that I would get a job and pay for my lessons - which I did for the next five years.


I wasn’t given an option about what I played as a kid; I had a very old console. But if I would have been asked to try out pianos, then that would have been a different perspective.
Understood. But how old were you when you would have been capable of making an informed decision? smile


Well, I started lessons at 5 and practiced without adult supervision. If I could do that, then I think I would have a definite opinion by the age of seven. 🙄

But to me that is not relevant: if you ask a child of any age what they want, how can you then say ‘it doesn’t matter, I’ll choose’. Just don’t ask

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I learned and practiced on my mother’s piano starting at age 7. She was the one who played piano so it was her choice, her taste, her piano. My parents never consulted me on their vehicles. I would have fell down in a massive faint if my parents consulted me about anything bought for me other than shoes and then all my Mom wanted to know was does that shoe hurt? So I guess I just don’t know how to answer the OP who wants to buy a better piano than the one her son loves.


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I bought a k500 recently and tried the k300 also.
The keyboard is noticeably higher on the k500 (though may not be that much in fact).
Is the stool height/ distance to floor etc. a problem?

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For $1000, no question for me, get the K 500.


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I see parents referring to their child who learns the piano all the time in the shop.It's good to get them involved but they are not old enough and do not have enough experience to give an opinion of any worth.Buy the K500.


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Originally Posted by dogperson


Well, I started lessons at 5 and practiced without adult supervision. If I could do that, then I think I would have a definite opinion by the age of seven. 🙄

But to me that is not relevant: if you ask a child of any age what they want, how can you then say ‘it doesn’t matter, I’ll choose’. Just don’t ask


Agreed on that one!

My father never asked me which one I liked or took me to the piano store when he bought that Yamaha U-1 for me. It turned out to be a great piano for me! smile

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I was a teenager when my music teacher chose a Kawai grand, actually I never
dream't I was getting a new grand, I thought I was getting an upright. The next
moment I was ecouraged to try a Yamaha and a Kawai grand. My father was
really encouraging especially towards getting a grand. I was bewildered !
I had never heard of Kawai (this was the 60's ), so I wanted the Yamaha.
Later on I realised that yes I loved the tone of the Kawai.My teacher's
description of the tone was "darker and mellow "(I never forgot that ! )
Considering the Kawai was probably not as expensive as the Yamaha also
made it a good choice.Still my parents took a year or 2 to fully pay for the piano.

I will never forget the day I arrived home from school ,my school books spilling all over
the floor. There I sat until dinner time ,playing and playing.......the music was all that
mattered.
To the OP, I really cannot advise you, times has changed so much ., so much depends
on your perception of what the whole situation is.
All I know is that I always was a very keen piano student ,and probably would have
carried on my music with any good upright or grand.
Of course the K500 is the better piano.
The piano being a 130 size may mean the need for an adjustable bench though.
Best wishes! (Whatever your choice )

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I agree with J&J ,the U3 is a great instrument !
Of course I know it will probably be much more expensive ,which complicates things.
Both brands remember are however equally good !

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If the seven-year-old son doesn't appreciate the better piano for a better price, saying he would rather kick it instead of playing it, the solution is very simple.

The parents have only to forbid him to touch it. The opposite will then happen. (This is a fixed Truth of our universe. Stated another way: "If thine enemy offend thee, give his child a drum." The neighbor will quickly appear, bearing the olive branch, and suing for peace. Your relationship will be adjusted very quickly, lest a worse fate, which might open up a new front on the battle, occur).

I'm just saying.

It could be that having somebody over who knows how to play well, might give him a wider perspective. If you can do it the day it arrives, and make it into the piano's 'birthday party,' it could turn things around faster. Don't a lot of us think of our piano as being a certain kind of personality?


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If the seven-year-old son doesn't appreciate the better piano for a better price, saying he would rather kick it instead of playing it, the solution is very simple.

The parents have only to forbid him to touch it. The opposite will then happen. (This is a fixed Truth of our universe. Stated another way: "If thine enemy offend thee, give his child a drum." The neighbor will quickly appear, bearing the olive branch, and suing for peace. Your relationship will be adjusted very quickly, lest a worse fate, which might open up a new front on the battle, occur).

I'm just saying.

It could be that having somebody over who knows how to play well, might give him a wider perspective. If you can do it the day it arrives, and make it into the piano's 'birthday party,' it could turn things around faster. Don't a lot of us think of our piano as being a certain kind of personality?


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I agree with J&J ,the U3 is a great instrument !
Of course I know it will probably be much more expensive ,which complicates things.
Both brands remember are however equally good !


I believe the U3 is out of their price range.


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I love the Kawai K-500. I play these almost every day, and they are some of my favourite uprights. You can't go wrong with buying one of those IMO.

However, have you also thought about what would match the size of the room you're going to put it in? For a very small room, the K-300 might be more acoustically suitable for you than a K-500. And if you have a large enough room, possibly a K-800.

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Also keep in mind it is possible to find overperforming and underperforming examples of an individual piano. Not every 500 is objectively better performing than every 300, but most are.


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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
If the seven-year-old son doesn't appreciate the better piano for a better price, saying he would rather kick it instead of playing it, the solution is very simple.

The parents have only to forbid him to touch it. The opposite will then happen. (This is a fixed Truth of our universe. Stated another way: "If thine enemy offend thee, give his child a drum." The neighbor will quickly appear, bearing the olive branch, and suing for peace. Your relationship will be adjusted very quickly, lest a worse fate, which might open up a new front on the battle, occur).

I'm just saying.

It could be that having somebody over who knows how to play well, might give him a wider perspective. If you can do it the day it arrives, and make it into the piano's 'birthday party,' it could turn things around faster. Don't a lot of us think of our piano as being a certain kind of personality?


I think it was dogperson that mentioned “rather kick it” in a different context. The OP’s son liked the K500, but much preferred the K300. And the U3 is out of their price range.


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Originally Posted by j&j
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If the seven-year-old son doesn't appreciate the better piano for a better price, saying he would rather kick it instead of playing it, the solution is very simple.

The parents have only to forbid him to touch it. The opposite will then happen. (This is a fixed Truth of our universe. Stated another way: "If thine enemy offend thee, give his child a drum." The neighbor will quickly appear, bearing the olive branch, and suing for peace. Your relationship will be adjusted very quickly, lest a worse fate, which might open up a new front on the battle, occur).

I'm just saying.

It could be that having somebody over who knows how to play well, might give him a wider perspective. If you can do it the day it arrives, and make it into the piano's 'birthday party,' it could turn things around faster. Don't a lot of us think of our piano as being a certain kind of personality?


I think it was dogperson that mentioned “rather kick it” in a different context. The OP’s son liked the K500, but much preferred the K300. And the U3 is out of their price range.


Yes, I did... but ‘kicking’ was not meant literally.


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Both pianos are good .,so you cannot go wrong!

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Originally Posted by dogperson

Yes, I did... but ‘kicking’ was not meant literally.


Phew! I’m glad you clarified that because I was thinking, that dogperson was a rather violent child! Lol. grin

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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Yes, I did... but ‘kicking’ was not meant literally.


Phew! I’m glad you clarified that because I was thinking, that dogperson was a rather violent child! Lol. grin

Perhaps a heavy institutional model then.....(a joke ! )
You do get "kick" ,and then you get "kick" after all !

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