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Congratulations Jethro,
I have played many Shigerus after they have been refined by the MPA and those already wonderful pianos play at another level. Kawai offers training for RPT on Shigeru Kawai, there are several technicians here in the USA who have been through the training. I will recommend you to contact Don Mannino at Kawai, he may have a list of the nearest technician in your area who has taken the training.

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Originally Posted by Kurtmen
Congratulations Jethro,
I have played many Shigerus after they have been refined by the MPA and those already wonderful pianos play at another level. Kawai offers training for RPT on Shigeru Kawai, there are several technicians here in the USA who have been through the training. I will recommend you to contact Don Mannino at Kawai, he may have a list of the nearest technician in your area who has taken the training.

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Thanks Kurtmen, sorry for the late reply. I wasn't aware of this Kawai training specific to the Shigeru Kawai, I think that is fantastic, but what are the chances of there being a technician in southwest Florida? I guess I have to contact Don Mannino, but I called Shigeru Kawai in CA when I purchased my piano and they gave me 3 names of technicians they used here but they did not specify that they were trained in that program.

Also Kurtmen, I visited your showroom in San Mateo, CA in December (Small world :)). My stepson lives there and over the holidays we stayed for about a week. I always worry that I would lose too much practice time so I always look for places that rent pianos. Most of the schools are closed around the holidays so that leaves dealer stores. Last year I went to a Yamaha dealer in Fresno that had practice rooms to rent. I happened to search for Shigeru dealer near my stepson this year and it just so happened that you had practice rooms available very close to where he lives. Thank you for letting me use your practice room. Your salesperson was very nice and accommodating as well.


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Originally Posted by Jethro
There are so many good technicians out there


Really? My experience is the opposite.

There are so many bad technicians out there on this planet that it's painful to listen to their tunings and I wouldn't let them anywhere near my piano with a voicing needle, let alone their secret sauce lacquer. I have had a 'concert technician' over to do an appraisal of my super old Steinway and he missed that the back checks were completely worn down and incompatible to the newer hammer tails, with the result that hammers got a tiny blow on striking the keys and were fundamentally unable to translate key attack speed to hammer speed. He also discarded to strike line, which was off by as much as 5mm, because "nobody can hear that anyway". And I have seen tuners at work with an ETD who simply were happy to tune a unison by listening to the fundamentals only.

No, I beg to differ, I truly believe that there are very, very few really technicians out there, but a lot of charlatans.

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Ha, that’s a typical European point of view!🥴 Especially Vienna and many other metropolitan cities over there have an amazing array of highly trained people. These people are not trained in 2-3 week weekend courses but usually in YEARS of demanding factory apprenticeships and graduate Meisterschulen. Actually called “academy for piano makers” Which can be tough like nails. Yet even from there, not everybody is tops in all areas. Concert technicians are still a special breed among them. On the other hand we have also an amazing array of individuals here who have been able to reach the top of their trade. In fact, many are very innovative, self made perfectionists as they never had to follow specific corporate protocol. These are highly passionate and dedicated technicians who really stand out from the crowd. Incidentally, the same is true for bakers. There’s good ones around here but the best ones of Vienna, Paris, Munich, Brussels or Amsterdam are still a hard act to follow.....🥴😫😂

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Originally Posted by Jethro
There are so many good technicians out there


Really? My experience is the opposite.

There are so many bad technicians out there on this planet that it's painful to listen to their tunings and I wouldn't let them anywhere near my piano with a voicing needle, let alone their secret sauce lacquer. I have had a 'concert technician' over to do an appraisal of my super old Steinway and he missed that the back checks were completely worn down and incompatible to the newer hammer tails, with the result that hammers got a tiny blow on striking the keys and were fundamentally unable to translate key attack speed to hammer speed. He also discarded to strike line, which was off by as much as 5mm, because "nobody can hear that anyway". And I have seen tuners at work with an ETD who simply were happy to tune a unison by listening to the fundamentals only.

No, I beg to differ, I truly believe that there are very, very few really technicians out there, but a lot of charlatans.

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic. I have found that on these boards I could post what I think is the most innocuous of things and have it turn into WWIII. So I'm much more careful now how I post things and the topics I tend to comment on and you never know who may be reading. As for technicians, while I agree there may be a few bad apples out there, I would like to think at least in my country they are all pretty good. I had my own experience with "secret sauce" on my past piano, never again. He was able to voice the piano back to what I preferred but he explained to me his reasoning for doing it in the first place and he felt that my RX-2 can sing a little better like a "Steinway" if he treated the hammers a certain way. He didn't tell me what he was going to do until I saw him painting my hammers with this shelac. And before I could say "but, but but" he had already done a number of them and I figured, oh what the heck just finish them all. Funny guy I tried to contact him for a bi-yearly tuning a few years back and he wouldn't answer my call and I noticed his website was down. So I looked for him on google and saw a picture of his DUI arrest a couple of months earlier. Great....


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Originally Posted by Jethro
[...] He didn't tell me what he was going to do until I saw him painting my hammers with this shelac. And before I could say "but, but but" he had already done a number of them and I figured, oh what the heck just finish them all. Funny guy I tried to contact him for a bi-yearly tuning a few years back and he wouldn't answer my call and I noticed his website was down. So I looked for him on google and saw a picture of his DUI arrest a couple of months earlier. Great....


So, maybe it wasn't shellac he was using on your piano .... or maybe it was!


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Seems he wasn't limiting his shellacking only to piano hammers.


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This gentleman seems to be very informed about the details of the Shigeru Kawai line and I really like his videos. He gives his top 10 interesting facts regarding the Shigeru and many of which I knew like the plaque that now bears my name in the Shigeru factory as well as the longer keysticks. I didn’t know the bridge is a Hamburg Steinway clone however nor that they build these pianos in batches. Anyways I thought it made such an interesting viewing that I post it here to show that what makes a Shigeru Kawai special extends well beyond the MPA visit. These guys are fanatic artisans.


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I’m finding out more about my own piano after I bought it than before I purchased. I think if I ever visit Japan I would love to visit that factory. Quite interesting how they craft these pianos.


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Jethro- very interesting video. Thank you for sharing! Can we affectionately call you a Kawai fan boy now? Or were you already an ardent fan, which is why you chose your Shigeru in the first place? I’m very happy that you’re you have your dream piano. smile


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Jethro- very interesting video. Thank you for sharing! Can we affectionately call you a Kawai fan boy now? Or were you already an ardent fan, which is why you chose your Shigeru in the first place? I’m very happy that you’re you have your dream piano. smile

Ha, I've been a fanboy for too many years. grin I remember back in 2007 when I bought my RX-2 at that time I was under the belief that you had to spend at least $25,000 to get a quality piano and to get an "uber" quality hand made piano it was cost at least $75,000. Kawai has proven me wrong both times. I honestly never considered the brand until I asked questions here on Pianoworld. It was between Yamaha and Kawai at the time and I always seemed to get the best value with Kawai though of course you could not go wrong with either. I think we somewhat led to believe that Japanese products are just inexpensive quality products but boring, but some of their luxury items are just out of this world. These Shigerus are fine hand made pianos with the old world Japanese craftsmanship akin to the samurai sword, but they sold at prices that many can afford.


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Sorry for the bad links, but just wanted to add if look at the corner of the room near the window seat you can see the bass traps I stacked in the corner. My wife and I think they are beautiful and unobtrusive for acoustical treatments.

https://i325.photobucket.com/albums...7B920BE-420E-40A8-AAB5-1B867502283D.jpeg

That's this product:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MKH9WH9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It made a great difference in controlling mid to upper frequencies in this cove:

https://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k383/andykallur/IMG_2108.jpg

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Beautiful piano, beautiful home and yes the panels you bought blend in well. You are indeed fortunate! Yay!!!


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As a fellow Shigeru Kawai owner I found that video very interesting. Thanks for posting it.


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Those bass traps look great and are unobtrusive. Congrats on your setup.

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Those bass traps look great and are unobtrusive. Congrats on your setup.

Yes and they work! 4 of those for $169 straight from the Ukraine. How can you beat that? I didn't even mount them. They just stack up one on top of the other and they come in a lot of different colors. Lots of talk about room acoustics here. Room acoustics play a huge part in how our pianos will eventually sound in a room. These are great inexpensive acoustic panels and very well built.

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Beautiful piano, beautiful home and yes the panels you bought blend in well. You are indeed fortunate! Yay!!!

Thanks again!


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As a fellow Shigeru Kawai owner I found that video very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

You're welcome, and to think we both have our names on plaques somewhere in the Shigeru factory. I feel connected to the Shigeru builders. They must take great pride in their work.


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In case I missed, did you post a recording using C2s in A-B setup?

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