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Hello,
I'm seeking an edition Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableau Op. 33 #4 with fingerings. I have an edition that gives maybe 2-3 fingerings in one spot for the easiest, most obvious chords and nothing else otherwise.

I looked at the preview of the Urtext edition on the Henle website and it was pretty sparse as well. I was disappointed because I saw a video between the publisher and Marc-Andre Hamelin, profiling how he'd provided fingerings for this and other Rach. texts. But it seemed like 90% of the piece had no fingerings at all.

I really want to learn this piece and there are a few spots that I am having issues coming up with fingerings that make sense. I've watched a Paul Barton 40-min. tutorial and this helped in certain spots...but the spots I want the most have not been addressed anywhere yet.

Does anyone know of an edition that has quite a lot of fingerings marked? Or do people largely just figure out their own fingerings, all the time? I feel like this piece isn't "obvious", or maybe I am just dense. I want to establish some fingerings so I can learn in a consistent pattern....

Anyone?

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That piece is very difficult. I guess that Henle reasons that people playing at that level can figure it out mostly themselves and need only a few hints at the hardest places.

Everyone's hand is different so fingerings are also not one size fits all. Maybe someone with a same hand shape as you have did some fingerings and published them. I would not count on it.

I usually figure out fingerings myself and also take suggestions from my teacher. But I would start with easier pieces first, to get 'the hang' of the composer and which fingerings work for that style. For example Rach often writes melody lines where chords are wrapping around it, you need to choose the fingerings very carefully to have thei right fingers available for the right notes.

Rach had big hands and his pieces are written for that too. You may have to "improvise" if your hands are smaller.


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I have the Henle/Hamelin edition and there looks to be 10-12 measures with fingerings.

Love that piece, with the references to the Dm sonata, my favorite Rachmaninoff work.


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Avoid the Alfred edition, it doesn’t even contain that etude! Only the 6 of 9 that he originally published (from that opus).


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Can't remember her name, but did the American woman pianist who recorded all the Rach piano music also edit his piano music?

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Can't remember her name, but did the American woman pianist who recorded all the Rach piano music also edit his piano music?
I think you are referring to Constance Keene - but I don't believe she edited Rach's piano music.


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Can't remember her name, but did the American woman pianist who recorded all the Rach piano music also edit his piano music?
I think you are referring to Constance Keene - but I don't believe she edited Rach's piano music.


I’m not sure that Constance Keene recorded all of Rachmaninoff’s piano music.

However, Ruth Laredo has recorded his complete solo piano works as well as edited the complete Preludes for Peters.

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Can't remember her name, but did the American woman pianist who recorded all the Rach piano music also edit his piano music?
I think you are referring to Constance Keene - but I don't believe she edited Rach's piano music.


I’m not sure that Constance Keene recorded all of Rachmaninoff’s piano music.

However, Ruth Laredo has recorded his complete solo piano works as well as edited the complete Preludes for Peters.
Keene recorded the complete Preludes and Etudes Tableaux - so yes, PL must be thinking about Ruth Laredo.


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