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Who's expecting a PX-S5000 ?
To be honest, I'm not sure what they could add to the 3000...


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
To be honest, I'm not sure what they could add to the 3000...

Plenty, if they're looking to replace the PX-560 with a new model that has the newer action and piano sound of the PX-S3000. Overall, PX-560 is FAR more capable than PX-S3000.

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To be honest, I'm not sure what they could add to the 3000...

Plenty, if they're looking to replace the PX-560 with a new model that has the newer action and piano sound of the PX-S3000. Overall, PX-560 is FAR more capable than PX-S3000.


Perhaps more control over sounds, more advanced arranger/arpeggiator functions, more 'hands on' controls for gigging artistst... Although, for the 'hands on' controls, I don't see how they could keep the same slim form factor without ruining the whole 'elegant' look.
Rather than a PX-S3000 on steroids, I could see them release a board which is a bit deeper, bigger display, more physical controls and with an evolution of the Smart Scaled Hammer Action with longer pivot points perhaps, or maybe even aftertouch, and most probably with legacy MIDI connectors.

In any case, with the PX-S1000, Casio has proven they can build seriously good boards, that are affordable for everyone. I'm very curious about what they will come up with this year...


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano

Rather than a PX-S3000 on steroids, I could see them release a board which is a bit deeper, bigger display, more physical controls and with an evolution of the Smart Scaled Hammer Action with longer pivot points perhaps

They do have the Grand Hybrids. The PX-S action is so new, I don't think you'll see a new portable action for a while. It's always been a number of years from one to the next. One way Casio keeps prices down is by re-using the same components in many models over numerous years.

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If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, plus it has the added bonus of having a display. If I were in the US, where the 1000 and 3000 respectively cost $599 and $799, it'd be a rather easy choice to make, with a price difference of only $200.

In Europe, however, the PX-S1000 costs around €550, which more or less amounts to the aforementioned $599 in the US. But the 3000 costs €899, which is close to $1000. That's a big price increase and a lot to pay for some extra sounds and a display. Add to that the price triple pedal (which comes free with the PX-S1000 until 31st January) and the 3000 almost costs double the price of the 1000.

I've wondered from the very beginning why the price difference between the 1000 and 3000 is so big in Europe...


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, plus it has the added bonus of having a display. If I were in the US, where the 1000 and 3000 respectively cost $599 and $799, it'd be a rather easy choice to make, with a price difference of only $200.

In Europe, however, the PX-S1000 costs around €550, which more or less amounts to the aforementioned $599 in the US. But the 3000 costs €899, which is close to $1000.

Thomann lists the PX-S1000 at € 457.98 and the PX-S3000 at € 755.46. Those prices convert to US$ 509.86 and US$ 841.03 respectively. So the PX-S1000 is 15 % cheaper than in the US while the PX-S3000 is 5 % more expensive. But nowhere close to $1000. It just tells us that manufacturers and dealers like to set prices at arbitrary "round" values (minus 1).


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, plus it has the added bonus of having a display. If I were in the US, where the 1000 and 3000 respectively cost $599 and $799, it'd be a rather easy choice to make, with a price difference of only $200.

In Europe, however, the PX-S1000 costs around €550, which more or less amounts to the aforementioned $599 in the US. But the 3000 costs €899, which is close to $1000.

Thomann lists the PX-S1000 at € 457.98 and the PX-S3000 at € 755.46. Those prices convert to US$ 509.86 and US$ 841.03 respectively. So the PX-S1000 is 15 % cheaper than in the US while the PX-S3000 is 5 % more expensive. But nowhere close to $1000. It just tells us that manufacturers and dealers like to set prices at arbitrary "round" values (minus 1).


I have to order from the Thomann store for Belgium, which lists the PX-S1000 at €545 and the 3000 at €899...
https://www.thomann.de/be/casio_px_s1000_bk_privia.htm
https://www.thomann.de/be/casio_px_3000_bk_privia.htm

Don't know where you got your prices from...


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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds


I don't understand. If the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, then how is the 1000 a no-brainer if you're only interested in piano? did you mean non-piano sounds?

I'm thinking of trying busking with one of these some time, and would really like to know if the 3000 offers more or better piano sounds. I'm not interested in other sounds, and supposedly the px-s1000 lasts longer on batteries.

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If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds


I don't understand. If the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, then how is the 1000 a no-brainer if you're only interested in piano? did you mean non-piano sounds?

I'm thinking of trying busking with one of these some time, and would really like to know if the 3000 offers more or better piano sounds. I'm not interested in other sounds, and supposedly the px-s1000 lasts longer on batteries.


Well, with the 3000, I'd be paying a lot more for about a dozen more piano and EP sounds, and the display might come in handy, too.
All the rest, the rhythms, the accompaniment, the knobs and mod wheel, and the rest of the 700 sounds, I have no interest in.
So, in this case, is the 3000 still worth it over the 1000, taking into account the 3000 is about 65% more expensive than the 1000 ?

The PX-S1000 is obviously more geared towards pianists so why didn't they include more AP and EP sounds ? On the other hand, does one really need 24 different piano sounds ?

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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
So, in this case, is the 3000 still worth it over the 1000, taking into account the 3000 is about 65% more expensive than the 1000 ?

I guess it depends whether any of the particular extra pianos in the S3000 are ones you find sufficiently more to your taste to be worth the difference.

Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
The PX-S1000 is obviously more geared towards pianists so why didn't they include more AP and EP sounds ?
Possiblye because when you add lots more sounds, you also need a usable interface to select them. Such an interface is part of the design of the 3000, not really the 1000.

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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
The PX-S1000 is obviously more geared towards pianists so why didn't they include more AP and EP sounds ?
Possiblye because when you add lots more sounds, you also need a usable interface to select them. Such an interface is part of the design of the 3000, not really the 1000.




Granted, but they're easily accessible using the free Chordana for Piano app. They could have done something like Roland with the FP10, with the app adding more sounds...


In any case, I'll most probably get the PX-S1000 to play in my appartment over the weekends. It'll tide me over nicely until I move out of my house in about 4 years. If the built-in speakers prove to be inadequate, I can always connect my iLoud Micro Monitors an get a pair of iLoud MTM's for my MP11SE at home.
After that, later on, I'll most probably sell both and get a hybrid upright.

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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
If you're only interested in piano, then the PX-S1000 is a no-brainer. However, the 3000 has a lot more piano sounds, plus it has the added bonus of having a display. If I were in the US, where the 1000 and 3000 respectively cost $599 and $799, it'd be a rather easy choice to make, with a price difference of only $200.

In Europe, however, the PX-S1000 costs around €550, which more or less amounts to the aforementioned $599 in the US. But the 3000 costs €899, which is close to $1000.

Thomann lists the PX-S1000 at € 457.98 and the PX-S3000 at € 755.46. Those prices convert to US$ 509.86 and US$ 841.03 respectively. So the PX-S1000 is 15 % cheaper than in the US while the PX-S3000 is 5 % more expensive. But nowhere close to $1000. It just tells us that manufacturers and dealers like to set prices at arbitrary "round" values (minus 1).


I have to order from the Thomann store for Belgium, which lists the PX-S1000 at €545 and the 3000 at €899...
https://www.thomann.de/be/casio_px_s1000_bk_privia.htm
https://www.thomann.de/be/casio_px_3000_bk_privia.htm

Don't know where you got your prices from...

From the storefront aimed at US residents obviously. Otherwise it's comparing apples and oranges.

And if you order that $799 Casio from the US to Belgium, guess what happens to the price at your customs office...


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Unfortunately, it looks like the "standard" price for these pianos in the US is now $649 and $849, a $50 increase to both models. I guess Casio underestimated the success of this design.

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Originally Posted by ChrisGoesPiano
The PX-S1000 is obviously more geared towards pianists so why didn't they include more AP and EP sounds ?
Possiblye because when you add lots more sounds, you also need a usable interface to select them. Such an interface is part of the design of the 3000, not really the 1000.




Granted, but they're easily accessible using the free Chordana for Piano app. They could have done something like Roland with the FP10, with the app adding more sounds...


In any case, I'll most probably get the PX-S1000 to play in my appartment over the weekends. It'll tide me over nicely until I move out of my house in about 4 years. If the built-in speakers prove to be inadequate, I can always connect my iLoud Micro Monitors an get a pair of iLoud MTM's for my MP11SE at home.
After that, later on, I'll most probably sell both and get a hybrid upright.

As a recommendation as you're getting the PX-S1000 - you can also adjust the touch settings to "light touch" mode, which in my opinion makes the action feel more like an acoustic piano and also improves the sound in the middle octaves (by reducing the "muffled" impression you might have). Just it's a bit fiddly because you have to hold down the "grand piano" key and press G7 every time you turn it on.

This digital piano definitely sounds better with headphones than with the onboard speakers.

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Another interesting review of the PX-S1000 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZVK_Hi_AY


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I couldn't get past the first 5 secs when he stumbled over the model name. Ouch!

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It's just an awesome digital piano for the money.


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I like the Woody's channel.
His comparison video between analog and soft-synths saved me a fortune since I decided not to spend the big money on analog gear.
I am still trying to figure out which digital piano to go with and watching his stage piano review only added another piano to the list of potential candidates!


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Not that bad after all for classical piano...

https://youtu.be/29HNflbq3Fw

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Originally Posted by Smaug
I couldn't get past the first 5 secs when he stumbled over the model name. Ouch!
That was so funny! The PS-... Ehr... I think the PX-S1000 main piano sound has a nice sound timbre (at least when you play from headphones), more on the muddy side I have to say, but lovely. It seems to me it allows for some decent dynamic timbral variations too. Maybe it could benefit from more reverb. At default I found the sound a little too dry. If the action is good, then it's a good competitor for the P125 and the ES110.

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