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clicks permeating the action--sounds like there are papers shuffling around the action when there are none
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If it just got worse, it could be a loose hammer rail, key stop rail, or damper stop rail. However, some noise is normal.


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Thanks, but as I was playing my opening scales last night, I heard irregularities that are new and not typical.This warranted an assessment, note by note. If you hear audible clicks in the course of playing, the causation has to be established. Concert A, apart from this new issue, is a sluggish action note.

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A client of mine had a noise like that on just one note of a new Bluthner Model 4 that she bought. The dealer paid me to go and investigate. It turned out to be a mis-alignment of the backcheck and it was catching, just, against the sostenuto tab with a very distinctive clicking noise. I have a video on my Facebook Business Page, will post link later. I wonder if its possible that the action of your Baldwin is not sitting correctly in the cavity - maybe too far back - and something like that is happening across the whole compass.

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Sounds very much like a loose hammer rest rail. This is very common during the winter months. As the wooden rail shrinks the nuts that secure it loosen. If this is the problem it is a very simple issue to correct. It could turn out to be something else, but that would be the first thing I'd look at.


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Originally Posted by Gerry Johnston
Sounds very much like a loose hammer rest rail. This is very common during the winter months. As the wooden rail shrinks the nuts that secure it loosen. If this is the problem it is a very simple issue to correct. It could turn out to be something else, but that would be the first thing I'd look at.

as in that clip?

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Originally Posted by David Boyce
. I wonder if its possible that the action of your Baldwin is not sitting correctly in the cavity - maybe too far back - and something like that is happening across the whole compass.


even if grand piano action not sitting correctly in "body of grand" why it's clics?

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My money is on the rest rail too. Key up stop rail should be checked at the same time as well as all flanges tightened. This is normal upkeep (which often gets overlooked...until it makes noise). With 6000 parts in an action mostly made of wood...

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Thanks, This sounds reasonable.

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Thanks, I will have a tech check these options.

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Very valuable video.Thanks!

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Good point, it is colder now in the East Bay.

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That clip exactly matches what's going on in my Baldwin. (newfound)

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You might be able to tighten the nuts with a long screwdriver, but if the bottom nut has loosened too much, the action needs to come out.


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Originally Posted by BDB
You might be able to tighten the nuts with a long screwdriver, but if the bottom nut has loosened too much, the action needs to come out.

an action out is very hard operation and accurate. It must make technician only.

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Very valuable video.Thanks!

we are glad helping in that always

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This is a possibility as well. All I can say about Baldwin 165 is that it is a trove of problems popping up out of nowhere and going nowhere. A RPT is coming here Monday a.m. to look into the clicks and new sluggish action note C5.. that is to add to A4--both not resolved. Add these to resolved 4 prior sluggish action notes by re-pinning. This piano is just plain unreliable.

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Shirl, I am confident that the piano can settle into being reasonable after it is serviced properly. It just may take a few visits and with technicians that are experienced and are truly aware of your concerns.


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Thanks, Chris. As of 6 p.m Pacific Time.. the first 20 notes (white and black) from bass up are clicking.. and add to the 20, another 12 sprinkled around the keyboard. If the repairs made are long-lasting, I will keep this piano. If it's one crisis after another, it's going to be bye bye. Not cost effective to have a piano that can't hold its own after less than 5 years.. Durability is a consideration here and I wish the manufacturer would wake up to these issues that surely are not limited to my Baldwin 165. Of course we still have the accrual of sluggish action notes. I guess re-pinning 84 jacks (4 were re-pinned recently) might be smart, though quite outlandish given the relative newness of this piano..

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