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#2926553 12/24/19 09:01 PM
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Hey!

I found a piano on FB market place for sale for under 100$. It's a Acrosonic painted white and it looks pretty cool as far as the woodwork.

I'm going to check it out. They say it holds a tune well. I will open it up and peek inside, and check all the keys. I already own a piano so this will be another one just for fun to have around.

I would be sharing a picture but there's no way to upload it to this thread.

Is there anything else I should look for and test on this piano?


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At that price you can't go terribly wrong if you plan to move it yourself. If you hire movers then the additional cost of moving may make it not a good buy unless you like the sound and it has no major problems. If it turns out to be untunable(you can't trust what other people say even if they are not intentionally lying) or have other serious problems you don't realize and you hire movers you could be out $100+ $350(moving) + $150(tech) + $200(removal). Some people would not feel it's worth having a second piano just for fun to have around unless they really liked it as furniture or a musical instrument. If you check the Piano Buyer link in the left column you can find an article about how a non tech can check a used piano.

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The seller said he has 3 strong sons to help move it. I will inquire about if it really does hold a tune.

So we'll see!


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I enjoy tinkering around with old upright pianos. If you like it/them and can get it for cheap or free, and have the room, it is a fun hobby.

And, even it turns out not to hold a tuning, you would not be out a lot of money... what, the cost of a family dinner outing at a very nice restaurant? And, no acoustic piano on earth holds a tuning perpetually, although some certainly hold much better than others.

Good luck, and Merry Christmas! smile

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By "holds a tune" I mean tunable. Only a piano tech can determine this. If the piano is severely out of tune when you listen to it, it could just need a tuning,

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I plan on asking if they've tuned it regularly and if they have receipts of that. They said that all their children learned to play using this piano, so I am hoping I'll luck out!


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Originally Posted by Jasper82
I plan on asking if they've tuned it regularly and if they have receipts of that. They said that all their children learned to play using this piano, so I am hoping I'll luck out!


Don’t be surprised if they have not saved receipts for tuning 😊. I have had the same tech for years and do have no need to save receipts.

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I plan on asking if they've tuned it regularly and if they have receipts of that. They said that all their children learned to play using this piano, so I am hoping I'll luck out!


Don’t be surprised if they have not saved receipts for tuning 😊. I have had the same tech for years and do have no need to save receipts.

Yeah I don’t keep receipts but have used the same tech for the last 10 years and I’m “a regular” who gets my piano tuned every six months so if I were gonna sell, I’d just tell the buyer to give him a call.


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Some piano tuners will write in pencil somewhere inside the piano, when they last tuned it. That may well be an old, outdated procedure nowadays. But I have seen the tuner name/signature/initials, along with the date they tuned the piano, on several pianos I've owned.

I actually think that is pretty cool; they were proud enough of their tuning to put their signature on it. smile

Also, FWIW, even if a piano hasn't been tuned in a long time, years in fact, that doesn't mean it will not hold a tuning. But it does mean it may take a few tunings to become stable again.

All the best!

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One sign that it has some issues with tuning stability or loose tuning pins is if there are some notes that are wildly out of tune compared to the notes around it.


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Originally Posted by showard
One sign that it has some issues with tuning stability or loose tuning pins is if there are some notes that are wildly out of tune compared to the notes around it.

Good point. I've noticed that as well.

I used to grab my tuning hammer and mutes if I heard the least little inkling of a wayward unison. I've since matured beyond that fanaticism, at least to an extent.

Now, I tune my pianos on a more "as needed" basis, which equates to about 2 or 3 times a years. But I did gain a lot of experience cleaning up the wayward unisons often. And, my tuning hammer technique has improved to the point where my tunings are more stable.

But I do like a well tuned piano, unless I'm playing one of my old saloon pianos, of which some of my recordings have become quite popular on YouTube. smile

I recorded a new, original blues tune on my Baldwin R and posted it on my YT channel a little over a week ago, and it has over 1200 views already. Heck, maybe I can play a piano after all (at least a little). smile

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When I got the 'ol Baldwin Hamilton studio upright a half dozen years back or so, I got all new felt to put under the keys, which leveled them much better and restored much of the action of the original capstan settings. Most actions haven't been that manipulated, but felts compress unevenly.

Here's another thought that some won't like- why not tune it yourself ?. That's what I have done to mine a handful of times since. It's the best way to actually get to know your piano- if the peg board has issues- you'll find out exactly where. Mine only has a peg or two with slight distortions that don't hold the tune as well. Get a good long wrench and be very careful. I jus use electronic tuners and compare octaves when the don't cover it. It's not perfect, but sounds better every time I do it and for a 1980, it sounds more than acceptable to practice on.

It's a cheap piano right? Here's your chance to make it a learning experience if you're physically up to it. I'm in my 60's and have a few times removed the actions from pianos- once with my current one to re-pin it, and I decided I'm at the end of my rope and can't lift that much any more.

No better way to train your ears than to tune your own piano IMHO.

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Well I ended up spending my Christmas money already!

So I most likely won't get the piano unless they want to give it away.


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Originally Posted by Jasper82
Well I ended up spending my Christmas money already!

So I most likely won't get the piano unless they want to give it away.



Too bad...



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Originally Posted by Jasper82
Well I ended up spending my Christmas money already!

So I most likely won't get the piano unless they want to give it away.

Don't worry, another cheapie or freebee will come along. It always does. In fact, if you contact the owners and tell them you don't have the funds to buy it, but would take it off their hands for free, they might just give it to you for free... who knows. smile

Good luck!

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Just remember that a free piano is similar to a free puppy... neither one are free for very long. Be sure you include regular maintenance in the projected cost. Even if you decide to learn to tune it yourself, there will be upfront costs for tuning equipment and supplies.

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Shop around. Be patient and weigh the factors as much as you can, even if its pot luck- you'll get a feel for what's available- what's a deal and what's not- maybe even find a decent freebie. The more you CAN spend, the better piano you can find though generally. Craigslist is a good resource if you live near or in any large towns..

I enjoyed my own tinkering and reconditioning of the '80 Baldwin Hamilton Studio- and I was tempted to take others home afterward-but I have neither the space, nor does it center on my goal of becoming a better piano player-

That might even best be accomplished with a cheap used keyboard with less chance of it falling through the shack floor.

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Originally Posted by harpon
I enjoyed my own tinkering and reconditioning of the '80 Baldwin Hamilton Studio- and I was tempted to take others home afterward-but I have neither the space, nor does it center on my goal of becoming a better piano player-

I've gotten to the point where I'd rather play the piano than work on it... but we can also have a balance of enjoyment doing different things, whether playing the piano, or tinkering with the insides of a very complex machine. The best of both worlds, perhaps? smile

As far as becoming a better piano player, that is certainly high on my list of things I wish to achieve. And, I do believe that everytime we sit at the piano and play, we can improve our playing to an extent. If nothing else, just polishing what little I already know how to play. smile

Playing the piano is a lot of fun
Whether you have many or just one
The journey is usually greater than the destination
And I can say that for sure, without reservation

It sounds really good, and helps relieve stress
Cause sometimes my mind is tired and in a mess
But I enjoy my piano playing, and entertain myself
And sometimes I like to play for somebody else

But even if our piano playing ain't so good
If we keep up, in time, it may sound as it should
At least to our own ears, heart, soul and mind
Until a better hobby or pastime we find

As for me, I'll stick with piano for now
Although I play other instruments anyhow
I like to play boogie-woogie and blues
Or other musical styles that I choose

I like to write my own songs and arrangements too
They come in different styles, both old and new
I've probably said enough with these rhymes and such
And sometimes I think I just talk too much... smile

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Originally Posted by Rickster
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I enjoyed my own tinkering and reconditioning of the '80 Baldwin Hamilton Studio- and I was tempted to take others home afterward-but I have neither the space, nor does it center on my goal of becoming a better piano player-

I've gotten to the point where I'd rather play the piano than work on it... but we can also have a balance of enjoyment doing different things, whether playing the piano, or tinkering with the insides of a very complex machine. The best of both worlds, perhaps? smile

As far as becoming a better piano player, that is certainly high on my list of things I wish to achieve. And, I do believe that everytime we sit at the piano and play, we can improve our playing to an extent. If nothing else, just polishing what little I already know how to play. smile

Playing the piano is a lot of fun
Whether you have many or just one
The journey is usually greater than the destination
And I can say that for sure, without reservation

It sounds really good, and helps relieve stress
Cause sometimes my mind is tired and in a mess
But I enjoy my piano playing, and entertain myself
And sometimes I like to play for somebody else

But even if our piano playing ain't so good
If we keep up, in time, it may sound as it should
At least to our own ears, heart, soul and mind
Until a better hobby or pastime we find

As for me, I'll stick with piano for now
Although I play other instruments anyhow
I like to play boogie-woogie and blues
Or other musical styles that I choose

I like to write my own songs and arrangements too
They come in different styles, both old and new
I've probably said enough with these rhymes and such
And sometimes I think I just talk too much... smile

Rick


I really don’t know this for sure, it’s just an educated guess, but I think if you work on your own piano you develop an emotional attachment that is far stronger than someone who merely play their own instrument. You kinda build a bit of sweat equity into that piano.


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"Sweat equity" or not, I'd play a better one if I could. The studio upright has rather hard hammers- several were split and re-glued together as best as possible. Florida is quite damp, despite being hot, the piano was sold originally in Daytona, and tuned for half it's life, before I got it in '14. It had a non-functional humidifier hanging inside.

And it has several bass strings that were spliced instead of replaced somewhere along the way.

The action is pretty good, but another re-pinning may be starting to creep up. I should play it more, but guitar is first and going great guns on violin in the winters now.

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