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I went to my local Yamaha dealer for a clearance sale. Found two different pianos, maybe 3 that I would love. I’ve read all the reviews but wanted opinions to see if what I heard and felt is typical. I would of course get full trade-in on my 7yo C3. The Estonia L190 would be approximately $13,000 + my piano, the Schimmel C169 would be $16,000 + my C3 and the Schimmel C189 would be $20,000. They didn’t have the C189 at this store for me to try but would ship one from one of their other stores. I’ve always love the clear treble on Schimmels. I did try a Yamaha CF4 that was fabulous and at a really great price but a bit beyond what I want to spend. My family thinks I ought to be happy with what I got. 😢


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Are the pianos you mentioned new or used? If used, how old is each?

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Are the pianos you mentioned new or used?


Both new.


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I have little experience with both Estonia and Schimmel. I do know they are both in the same Fine category and that was probably true even before the categories were largely based on cost. Almost all the PW comments are very positive about both pianos so I think it should be a matter of personal choice about touch and tone. If you think you want the larger Schimmel, the dealer should let you try it before you commit to buy it.

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pianoloverus- thank you. I’m going back this afternoon to try them again. The Estonia will be fully tuned this morning, which should only be an improvement. I loved the touch and warmth of the Estonia but since a few notes weren’t at the right pitch it was a bit distracting. And the gorgeous bubinga touches are really distracting in a good way.


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Both Estonia and Schimmel sound like great pianos J&J. Mind you your C3 is certainly a special model Yamaha.It is one they often have at universities and important music schools.
If you decide to get a European piano make sure they give you enough of a deal on your beautiful
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Hi j&j,

Have you tried yamaha cx series?
How estonia compared to yamaha?

Is estonia equal to yamaha or better?
Please advise

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That Estonia sounds wonderfulful but then so is Schimmel.

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This is a tricky deal, I feel that a high-end Yamaha is a better piano and better buy than the Schimmel or Estonia. The resale value of the piano you are trading-in is higher than the Schimel or Estonia; in other words in a few years, the value of those pianos will be close to the balance you paid without your trade-in.
Either way, you should negotiate a lower balance after your trade-in.

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I've played both the Estonia 190 and the Schimmel 189, virtually back to back, when I did my last piano search. To my ear they are very different pianos. I liked the Estonia a lot, the Schimmel a lot less...both in tone and feel. Even better is the Estonia 210. I really loved it. If this dealer can get you the 190 for $13K after trade in, what would he charge for the 210 with trade in? It might be no more than the Schimmel 189. Of course maybe the bubinga case is a decider for you. I'm an ebony guy, though ultimately the case is not a big deciding factor for me.


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Originally Posted by Kurtmen
This is a tricky deal, I feel that a high-end Yamaha is a better piano and better buy than the Schimmel or Estonia. The resale value of the piano you are trading-in is higher than the Schimel or Estonia; in other words in a few years, the value of those pianos will be close to the balance you paid without your trade-in.
Either way, you should negotiate a lower balance after your trade-in.

I played the C3X as a comparison and then a stand in for my C3. There is a bit warmer tone but the price would be more than the Estonia but didn’t have the feel or the singing tone of the Estonia. When I bought my C3, I tried the prototype of the C3X which was a considerable jump in price but I couldn’t hear or feel that much difference. I’ve played several C3X’s since but just can’t justify the upgrade price.


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So, I did negotiate the price down a tad and bought the Estonia. It should be in my home next Saturday. I loved the singing tone and the action. The hidden beauty - when closed is shiny ebony. When you open the lid, the underside of the lid, music rack and fallboard facing the player is a gorgeous reddish bubinga. I normally would stick with polished black, but the case is just gorgeous. I will post pictures when it arrives. I really can’t fit a 210 and would probably spend a longer time in the doghouse. Also, like the Schimmel C189, it would have to be sent here or ordered.


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Originally Posted by Kurtmen
This is a tricky deal, I feel that a high-end Yamaha is a better piano and better buy than the Schimmel or Estonia. The resale value of the piano you are trading-in is higher than the Schimel or Estonia; in other words in a few years, the value of those pianos will be close to the balance you paid without your trade-in.
Either way, you should negotiate a lower balance after your trade-in.


Although I agree that the high end Yamahas are great pianos, I also feel that a Schimmel or Estonia can both be beautiful options as well. Musicians know them and, with one google search, any "man on the street" can also know all about them as well.

J&J, congrats on your choice. I wish you many years of enjoyment and pleasure from your new piano.

Cheers!


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Congratulations on your new piano. What a treat! The hidden beauty is the very beautiful looking piano indeed. There is a picture of the hidden beauty in the Estonia brochure:
http://www.estoniapiano.com/buklet_11okt_2013.pdf

Like AaronSF I have also played the Estonia 190 back to back with the Schimmel C 189, the former in black and the latter with a Bubinga rim; really beautiful.

The Bubinga is however no longer allowed imported into Europe, and international trade of the wood is now banned, however I do not know all the details.
Some more information on the subject can be found here:
https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/rosewoods-bubinga-really-banned-cites/

Looking forward to see the picture(s).

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Congratulations on your new Estonia!


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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
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This is a tricky deal, I feel that a high-end Yamaha is a better piano and better buy than the Schimmel or Estonia. The resale value of the piano you are trading-in is higher than the Schimel or Estonia; in other words in a few years, the value of those pianos will be close to the balance you paid without your trade-in.
Either way, you should negotiate a lower balance after your trade-in.


Although I agree that the high end Yamahas are great pianos, I also feel that a Schimmel or Estonia can both be beautiful options as well. Musicians know them and, with one google search, any "man on the street" can also know all about them as well.

J&J, congrats on your choice. I wish you many years of enjoyment and pleasure from your new piano.

Cheers!

I tried an Estonia 190 quite a few years ago and I really liked its rich tone. You got yourself a nice piano that I'm sure you are really going to enjoy. You probably could have sold that Yamaha privately for about the same or maybe even a little more but I could understand how that can be a little bit of a hassle (trust me).


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A fine choice. Congratulations!



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Congratulations ! That is a really lovely instrument and quite large ! It must sound incredible. I have never played an Estonia but have heard such wonderful things about them !
Congratulations and enjoy !

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What a gorgeous piano!!!! Congrats. I know it will given you many years of pleasure.


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Originally Posted by j&j
bought the Estonia


shocked wow

That was fast!

Also oh wow, I’ve seen pics of the hidden beauty before, it’s really amazing! How exciting! Can’t wait to see photos when it’s delivered!!!

Congratulations!!!


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