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I've only been playing a short time and was pretty badly injured after about a year of frenetic practicing. Been to lots of tests and had surgery on one hand `which didn't do anything but I started studying with Andrew Kraus via the web who teaches in DC and I'm getting some relief. Apparently my technique sucked. Andrew teaches and studied with a method by German pedagogue Peter Feuchtwanger who has a book called "Piano Exercises for curing playing related disorders and for acquiring a functional and natural approach to piano playing.

The book and DVD is available here:

http://www.peter-feuchtwanger.de/english-version/index.html

Kudos to Andrew. You can contact him here: https://www.facebook.com/AndrewKraus.Pianist

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Andrew is indeed a very nice person, and a great pianists! I've watched some of his videos and exchanged a few PMs with him.

Glad he could help you with your piano-playing related injury. Playing the piano should be a fun and enjoyable experience, without pain or difficulty. Of course, I rarely play a song/piece/arrangement, or whatever you want to call it, without hitting a few wrong notes. Who was it that said "there is no such thing as a wrong note"? smile

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I suddenly realised who Andrew Kraus is ?
It is our member by the name of Seeker He was writing about Steingraeber pianos.I can hardly believe it was
that very nice and humble man who sent me
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Bravo Brian! Andrew is a fine artist, has a wonderful reputation, and I pleased to know him.

Thank you for making this post as Andrew is the type to never speak about himself and he deserves recognition here.

Cheers!


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Originally Posted by Rickster
Andrew is indeed a very nice person, and a great pianists! I've watched some of his videos and exchanged a few PMs with him.

Glad he could help you with your piano-playing related injury. Playing the piano should be a fun and enjoyable experience, without pain or difficulty. Of course, I rarely play a song/piece/arrangement, or whatever you want to call it, without hitting a few wrong notes. Who was it that said "there is no such thing as a wrong note"? smile

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I think the saying goes something like “I play all the right notes but at the wrong time “


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Thank you Brian Sweeney and Andrew (aka Seeker). Piano hand and arm injuries to people trying so hard to learn is really pretty devastating.
I was blessed my Mother sent me to pianos lesson back in the Bronze Age. I was taught proper finger hand and arm technique when I was young and limber. For folks who learn as adults, some will practice a piece or small part of the piece over and over and over hours on end. And suddenly they’re in pain from a repetitive injury. I learned technique from 8 to 14 years old and I’m too easily bored and horrifically lazy. I can’t stand to repeat sections more than 3 times over.
So everyone, especially noobs, take breaks and use proper piano technique. It’s tough playing and practicing in pain.


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Many concert pianists end up with injuries too .
I know an orchestral symphonic flute player who
injured his hand from practising. He developed numb
fingers.
After months off from the flute his hand recovered.
I suppose one can imagine practising for hours every
day.Perhaps they then work with people like Andrew.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Many concert pianists end up with injuries too .
I know an orchestral symphonic flute player who
injured his hand from practising. He developed numb
fingers.
After months off from the flute his hand recovered.
I suppose one can imagine practising for hours every
day.Perhaps they then work with people like Andrew.

Absolutely correct. Young piano prodigies and talented piano students will train like Olympic athletes. Dedicated warm up exercises and cool down sessions. Unfortunately when touring and performing. concert artists tire from traveling and end up with painful injuries.
My piano teacher (in heaven) is laughing at the thought of me getting a hand injury from too much practice.


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Absolutely correct. Young piano prodigies and talented piano students will train like Olympic athletes. Dedicated warm up exercises and cool down sessions. Unfortunately when touring and performing. concert artists tire from traveling and end up with painful injuries.
My piano teacher (in heaven) is laughing at the thought of me getting a hand injury from too much practice.

Saw a YT video of Jerry Lee Lewis with one of those orthopedic hand braces on his left hand and wrist. I can only imagine why he was wearing it. smile

I play my pianos hard and fast, and have never experienced any pain or discomfort in my hands or fingers. But after a hard workout of some fast boogie-woogie and blues, the muscles in my fingers will be just a tad sore the next morning. But by noon, and a few cups of coffee, I'm ready for another round of hard and fast pounding. smile

I probably need a few piano lessons from Andrew...

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Definitely take lessons from him, he is an extremely good teacher and doesn't judge me for being a beginner and he's a hellava good guy.

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Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney
Definitely take lessons from him, he is an extremely good teacher and doesn't judge me for being a beginner and he's a hellava good guy.
I've never judged or criticized a beginner for being a beginner, and enjoy hearing beginner's play. Fact is, I consider myself to be not much more than a beginner when it comes to playing a piano. smile

But what I have found a bit strange, is when someone brags about how well they can play, and then when I actually get to hear them, I'm sorely disappointed. Hence, I've learned that humility, along with a good dose of reality is good medicine. smile

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I feel so lucky to have a teacher who questions me about my warmup routine every single week. She asks me to demonstrate how I am doing my exercises, scales, arps, etc., and she observes closely and often fine-tunes my technique. I started learning at age almost-64, and injury would really slow me down. Careful attention to warm-up is crucial. If I skip it, I know I risk aching hands and arms...


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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney
Definitely take lessons from him, he is an extremely good teacher and doesn't judge me for being a beginner and he's a hellava good guy.
I've never judged or criticized a beginner for being a beginner, and enjoy hearing beginner's play. Fact is, I consider myself to be not much more than a beginner when it comes to playing a piano. smile

But what I have found a bit strange, is when someone brags about how well they can play, and then when I actually get to hear them, I'm sorely disappointed. Hence, I've learned that humility, along with a good dose of reality is good medicine. smile

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If Rick is "not much more than a beginner", there is NO hope for me, LOL...



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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
If Rick is "not much more than a beginner", there is NO hope for me, LOL...

NobleHouse, thank you so much for your kind words!

However, yes, there is certainly hope for you, and then some. smile

I do enjoy my meager piano playing, but even more, I highly respect anyone who dedicates themselves to learning to play the piano, regardless of their abilities. As for my piano playing abilities, it is in a constant state of "needs improvement". smile

All the best!

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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by NobleHouse
If Rick is "not much more than a beginner", there is NO hope for me, LOL...

NobleHouse, thank you so much for your kind words!

However, yes, there is certainly hope for you, and then some. smile

I do enjoy my meager piano playing, but even more, I highly respect anyone who dedicates themselves to learning to play the piano, regardless of their abilities. As for my piano playing abilities, it is in a constant state of "needs improvement". smile

All the best!

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Rickster ,NobleHouse was complimenting you on your
playing! I feel you also play very well too! You may play
different music to me but still !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Rickster ,NobleHouse was complimenting you on your
playing! I feel you also play very well too! You may play
different music to me but still !
Hi Lady Bird. Yes, I knew NobleHouse was complimenting me on my piano playing, and thank you as well, for your compliment! I'm not quite sure how to respond when others compliment me on my piano playing, except to say thank you! smile

My style of playing is different, for sure.

And, I didn't mean to horn-in on Brian Sweeney's thread here, but sometimes it just works that way.

Andrew Kraus is the man of the hour, and a great pianist! smile

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I think he would would enjoy reading these posts!
I enjoyed reading bits from the link (sections from the book )and read about the wonderful pianist Angela Haskell and her escape during WW2. Really quite thrilling and also about Andrew's teacher.Now I wish I
could at the moment buy the book !!!

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Many concert pianists end up with injuries too .
I know an orchestral symphonic flute player who
injured his hand from practising. He developed numb
fingers.
After months off from the flute his hand recovered.
I suppose one can imagine practising for hours every
day.Perhaps they then work with people like Andrew.


FYI - you might want to do a web search for "Body Mapping" and "Body Mapping for Musicians". I use some of what I have learned about this from various sources including this book: https://www.amazon.com/What-Every-P...&hvtargid=pla-454800780421&psc=1 in my own teaching. I find two things of general use: knowing where the bottom of the first joint where the finger meets the palm (many people see/feel it further towards the tip of the finger than it actually is), and several pictures of "balanced sitting".

Regarding Peter Feuchtwanger and his teaching - he was, for the most part, not only an auto-didact but a full on genius. Most of what he later taught to his students came from his own, "natural", untutored, way of playing the piano. So... Feuchtwanger is not Body Mapping; Feuchtwanger is not Alexander; Feuchtwanger is not QiGong, nor Yoga, but something different that offers a way to play the piano effectively, ultimately without pain or strain. That said, much of what is "Feuchtwanger" shares, at its roots, principles that can be found in the aforementioned disciplines and studies.


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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by NobleHouse
If Rick is "not much more than a beginner", there is NO hope for me, LOL...

NobleHouse, thank you so much for your kind words!

However, yes, there is certainly hope for you, and then some. smile

I do enjoy my meager piano playing, but even more, I highly respect anyone who dedicates themselves to learning to play the piano, regardless of their abilities. As for my piano playing abilities, it is in a constant state of "needs improvement". smile

All the best!

Rick


Rick - you know a great deal about pianos and your videos are really popular! If your playing is meager, mine is utterly mediocre and meager. But as Frank Baxter tells us, playing the piano is fun. And I’ll add the familiar saying of “Amaze your family and friends. Learn to play the latest show tunes.” grin

And what’s weird is that all the jocks that made fun of us are seriously envious. Musicians are always cool. And if your friends doubt it start wearing sunglasses in the house. 😁


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