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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Well is there any difference between Feurich and Hailun grands made now or is it just a different name ?


So back to your original question, I wonder if we might imagine that the differenced between Feurich and Hailun grands is maybe analogous to the difference between Boston and Kawai (since they’re made in the same factories)? That might be stretching it!

But, just because one is made by the other doesn’t mean they’re using the same plans or production.

Perhaps someone with more background in this area will comment?


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Well is there any difference between Feurich and Hailun grands made now or is it just a different name ?


Hailun is the brand name given to the Ningbo Hailun (factory name) pianos. It's the name of the owner . NHPF also contract builds for quite a few other piano brands just like Parsons, and Pearl River (Essex and others) do. Piano Buyer says that the Feurich pianos have a different voicing than Hailuns. The scale/strings/felts maybe different as well. Maybe Steve Cohen or Piano Loverus have an insight about this. Ningbo Hailun also make the Cunningham's for Rich Galassini to a design unique from the Hailuns. Again it would be better for Rich G to enumerate those differences.

Contract building is really common in bicycles and especially musical instruments. Samick and Cort in S. Korea account for something like 70 percent of all electric guitars sold in the world.


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I have owned a Feurich F172 for about a year. It was made in 2002, so it is from the Gunzenhausen era. Its tone is very clear but not bright or edgy at all and it is capable of a very wide dynamic range for a piano of its size. The touch is medium to slightly heavy but very smooth and responsive. If the piano you are looking at is about 30 years old then obviously the condition is a key factor, but if it is in good condition and you like the tonal character then I think it would be well worth considering.

Before I came across my German Feurich I had actually played practically all the models in the Ningbo made Feurich range while piano searching. To me the new ones are very different. Not only do they have a completely different origin, I think they are aiming for a different tonal quality too, something more mellow and a bit darker. None of the new Feurichs in the size and price range I was looking at made my shortlist, but the 218 definitely would have if I had been looking for such a large piano and I had that budget. Also the new Feurichs seem to be more competitively priced in some other markets than they are here in New Zealand.

There don't seem to be many samples of German made Feurichs online, but here are a couple:

https://www.klavierhalle.de/database/dt343332728/klangprobe.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPZA6z_mC_Y&list=LLn_uDCzCv2R13uqsrVe6dJQ&index=4&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YFa47_N1FU&list=LLn_uDCzCv2R13uqsrVe6dJQ&index=3&t=62s

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Just for the record, the piano I'm talking about isn't a new instrument...

Yes I realise you obviously played a German Feurich.
I ask the question because I know there an upright
Feurich Vienna which though strung back in China
is finished off in Vienna.


I also wanted to mention that: there exists an Upright Feurich made in Austria since recently (2016 I guess). It uses a new concept of piano mechanics, called "High Speed KAMM Action", which allowes very fast repetitions ("supposedly" comparable to the best concert grands on the market. wink ) I can`t really tell, since I have never had the opportunity to play on one.
But I know, how a Upright Feurich made in China feels (and sounds) like...not as bad as supposed. They are solid pianos, nothing superior, but you cant ecpect that in this price range anyway.

Some impressions of the Vienna Mod. 123:
https://youtu.be/31tUOSku-gg - demonstration of the high speed repetition by Univ.-Prof. Kharin
https://youtu.be/DhmUQkl3T7I - Bill Dobbins on the FEURICH Mod. 123-Vienna


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Originally Posted by yok
I have owned a Feurich F172 for about a year. It was made in 2002, so it is from the Gunzenhausen era.


Hi Yok,

Just a point of clarification: If your Feurich was built in 2002,it may well have been made in Germany, but not in Gunzenhausen. In the late 80's, C. Bechstein purchased the brands Feurich, W. Hoffmann and Euterpe and closed the Gunzenhausen factory, moving production of these instruments to their facility in Seifhennersdorf. Most probably, your piano was built, or at least finished, in that facility.


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So, the Feurich I played (which I really liked!) was approximately 30-35 years old and said on the plate "made in Langlau W. Germany.
Just fyi I guess.

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Pinkiepie,
That Flight of the Bumblebee is amazing on that Feurich upright!
The pianist is pretty good as well !

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Originally Posted by Pinkiepie
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Just for the record, the piano I'm talking about isn't a new instrument...

Yes I realise you obviously played a German Feurich.
I ask the question because I know there an upright
Feurich Vienna which though strung back in China
is finished off in Vienna.


I also wanted to mention that: there exists an Upright Feurich made in Austria since recently (2016 I guess). It uses a new concept of piano mechanics, called "High Speed KAMM Action", which allowes very fast repetitions ("supposedly" comparable to the best concert grands on the market. wink ) I can`t really tell, since I have never had the opportunity to play on one.
But I know, how a Upright Feurich made in China feels (and sounds) like...not as bad as supposed. They are solid pianos, nothing superior, but you cant ecpect that in this price range anyway.

Some impressions of the Vienna Mod. 123:
https://youtu.be/31tUOSku-gg - demonstration of the high speed repetition by Univ.-Prof. Kharin
https://youtu.be/DhmUQkl3T7I - Bill Dobbins on the FEURICH Mod. 123-Vienna



There is absolutely no such thing as a "Feurich made in Austria." This is a false claim made by one of the THREE Chinese manufacturers marketing pianos under the name Feurich.


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This video would disagree.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8U_R6k8NhYE


Originally Posted by master88er
Originally Posted by Pinkiepie
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Just for the record, the piano I'm talking about isn't a new instrument...

Yes I realise you obviously played a German Feurich.
I ask the question because I know there an upright
Feurich Vienna which though strung back in China
is finished off in Vienna.


I also wanted to mention that: there exists an Upright Feurich made in Austria since recently (2016 I guess). It uses a new concept of piano mechanics, called "High Speed KAMM Action", which allowes very fast repetitions ("supposedly" comparable to the best concert grands on the market. wink ) I can`t really tell, since I have never had the opportunity to play on one.
But I know, how a Upright Feurich made in China feels (and sounds) like...not as bad as supposed. They are solid pianos, nothing superior, but you cant ecpect that in this price range anyway.

Some impressions of the Vienna Mod. 123:
https://youtu.be/31tUOSku-gg - demonstration of the high speed repetition by Univ.-Prof. Kharin
https://youtu.be/DhmUQkl3T7I - Bill Dobbins on the FEURICH Mod. 123-Vienna



There is absolutely no such thing as a "Feurich made in Austria." This is a false claim made by one of the THREE Chinese manufacturers marketing pianos under the name Feurich.

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This video would disagree.



Ask them, or please provide, the exact full address of the "factory." I'll be there next week.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Pinkiepie,
That Flight of the Bumblebee is amazing on that Feurich upright!
The pianist is pretty good as well !


+1 on both!



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Originally Posted by master88er
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I have owned a Feurich F172 for about a year. It was made in 2002, so it is from the Gunzenhausen era.


Just a point of clarification: If your Feurich was built in 2002,it may well have been made in Germany, but not in Gunzenhausen. In the late 80's, C. Bechstein purchased the brands Feurich, W. Hoffmann and Euterpe and closed the Gunzenhausen factory, moving production of these instruments to their facility in Seifhennersdorf. Most probably, your piano was built, or at least finished, in that facility.


No. If it was built in 2002, it was made in Gunzenhausen. In Seifhennersdorf Bechstein produced the Feurichs between 1991 and 1993.

When Bechstein purchased the brands Feurich, Euterpe and Hoffmann, they were produced in Langau. Then Langau closed. Production by Mr. Feurich owned factory in Gunzenhausen started in 1993.


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Originally Posted by master88er
Originally Posted by yok
I have owned a Feurich F172 for about a year. It was made in 2002, so it is from the Gunzenhausen era.


Just a point of clarification: If your Feurich was built in 2002,it may well have been made in Germany, but not in Gunzenhausen. In the late 80's, C. Bechstein purchased the brands Feurich, W. Hoffmann and Euterpe and closed the Gunzenhausen factory, moving production of these instruments to their facility in Seifhennersdorf. Most probably, your piano was built, or at least finished, in that facility.


No. If it was built in 2002, it was made in Gunzenhausen. In Seifhennersdorf Bechstein produced the Feurichs between 1991 and 1993.

When Bechstein purchased the brands Feurich, Euterpe and Hoffmann, they were produced in Langau. Then Langau closed. Production by Mr. Feurich owned factory in Gunzenhausen started in 1993.

Originally Posted by master88er

There is absolutely no such thing as a "Feurich made in Austria." This is a false claim made by one of the THREE Chinese manufacturers marketing pianos under the name Feurich.


Who are the three Chinese manufacturers? I know that there was a time when Mr. Feurich worked together with a Chinese manufacturer. Does that producer still market pianos under the Feurich brand?

And what´s your point about Made In Austria? When the strung back is made in China and the German Renner action is assembled into the piano in Vienna: where is it made then? China? Germany? Vienna?

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Whether the website is put up by someone who is not Feurich, or whether the claims made on the website are false, I cannot say. But the Feurich website claims that the "Model 123 - Vienna" is made in Austria:

https://www.feurich.com/en/products/vienna-pianos/

and on this page, they give some sort of outline of their facilities in Vienna:

https://www.feurich.com/en/production/feurich-vienna/


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