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If you had been here long ago you might have said that Yamaha was the default recommendation. smile
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Name something innovative about CP88 other than being a ROMPler?


Why does the CP88 need to be innovative? It's a stage piano - the priorities should be on providing a good keyboard action, a good selection of sounds, and an intuitive interface.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Abdol
Name something innovative about CP88 other than being a ROMPler?


Why does the CP88 need to be innovative? It's a stage piano - the priorities should be on providing a good keyboard action, a good selection of sounds, and an intuitive interface.

Cheers,
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If we compare the technology Yamaha has at hand, CP88 has less technology in it compared to CP4 and its high-end digital pianos. The "synthesis engine" is purely sample playback. This is somewhat questionable because the DP department takes a different approach and does add neat features to its higher-end digital pianos. P-515 is a really nice digital piano identical or better action and sounds better in my opinion.

My humble guess is Yamaha is trying to imitate Nord but they're short in budget. They cut down the features in their CP series and decreased the design complexity of releasing new sample libraries. Of course, the most important point is that they reduced the production and future support costs as it most likely uses the same engine as MONTAGE does. The only dynamic difference is the CP88 exclusive sample libraries, the rest are static, better action (compared to Montage8) and a different interface do not need any changes over time. Obviously, loading new samples on an instrument is an appealing concept, it makes users happy and makes them feel "satisfied" but the expressiveness of the instrument is questionable.

So the innovation is not user-oriented but profit oriented. This makes 100% sense for Yamaha but 0% to me. When I purchased my piano, I was looking for a complex instrument, not another AWM2 sample-playback keyboard.

Anyway, that's just my personal opinion. CP88 is a nice instrument. Great action and some neat samples. To me this is Yamaha's effort to fit the S90XX series into Nord's interface.

We can also ask the same question about Kawai/Korg/Roland etc: Why they put this much detail in their stage piano unlike Yamaha?

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If you had been here long ago you might have said that Yamaha was the default recommendation. smile
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Nowadays, the default recommendation seems to be “get a teacher”. Though “you gotta go and try them yourself” is coming in a close 2nd. wink


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Abdol
Name something innovative about CP88 other than being a ROMPler?


Why does the CP88 need to be innovative? It's a stage piano - the priorities should be on providing a good keyboard action, a good selection of sounds, and an intuitive interface.

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Hi KJ,

The CP88 is price innovative because it's a Nord-esque instrument you don't have to sell your mother-in-law in order to afford ;-) lol...

Why I like it is because Yamaha have thought very hard about how they want it to be different and decided that a good chunk of people would like a Nord but don't want to mortgage their house.

Casio have thought: A good chunk of people would like a light stage piano that can be battery powered that looks really swanky and is perfect for weddings and out-door venues.
Kawai have thought: quite a few of the market want a higher quality action and a more piano like experience with their stage piano.
Roland have thought: we want an all singing and dancing stage piano with arranger like functionality and modelled piano sound and competitive action.

I can't think of a better time to buy an instrument! So many good choices to suit all needs.

Kind regards,

Doug.


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CP88 looks much cooler than the MP11SE imo. I am thinking of getting a CP88 too. Really love the design and the user interface. Looks cool even when I am not playing it!
MP11SE is one of the ugliest boards in the category... Would never get one no matter how realistic/ grand-like the key action is.

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