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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
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So, I was all set to order my ES110 tomorrow (my very first piano!) but now I've found out about these… I don't know. Is it maybe worth waiting until they are available, I wonder? I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 at the moment (not mince). My main intent is to never use the frills and all the functions, just to learn to play on a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic (feel, sound). It also needs to be lightweight, and it seems quite good to me that these Casios can record onto USB, which I do regularly (it would be more fiddly on the ES110, I gathered).

Is there no set date for when these will be available? Are they worth the wait? Anyone actually seen one in the flesh (or plastic…)? Thanks!


I would wait until the Casio is available at this point just to compare the two and see which one you like better.
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You can order PX-S3000 for 1000$ in Russia: https://mospiano.ru/goods/Casio-PX-S3000BK?from=ZGMz&mod_id=174307259
What about your regions, guys?

I'm only seeing pre-orders here in the USA so far. Musician's Friend, for example, has the PX-S1000 for $599, the PX-S3000 for $799, and the CDP-350 for $499.


Also note that if you sign up for MF's mailing list or GC you can often get discounts of 15%-20% off more . I've done this for every purchase I have.


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I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

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I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit

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This is the best demo I've heard. Very impressed with it at NAMM. Night and day difference over the older model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_...gpYuIZILha2EKVyTU1BJ1XH5gijNrOO5l_STRC6A


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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
This is the best demo I've heard. Very impressed with it at NAMM. Night and day difference over the older model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_...gpYuIZILha2EKVyTU1BJ1XH5gijNrOO5l_STRC6A

I’ve also seen the two demos by this guy Max Tempia on YouTube. Wow, this guy! What a fluent and rich harmonic thinking. Reminds me of Bill Evans. It’s great when piano companies hire real top-notch classical and jazz pianists to showcase their instruments.


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Until we can play it in person, it's hard to make any concrete decisions (e.g. key action feel, piano engine) ...

... but on pure features, wow does the PX-S3000 look good for the price. And the glossy black minimalistic look ... thumbs up.

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Yeah, it does look a lot better than the ES110 I was going for, that people have labelled "a little cheap looking". But looks where not my concern, more sound and feel/touch, so I guess I might have to wait until more personal reviews come out (and maybe comparisons with Roland FP-30 and ES110) or perhaps until I can see one, if that ever happens.

The three pedal option looks very intriguing too.

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Also note that if you sign up for MF's mailing list or GC you can often get discounts of 15%-20% off more . I've done this for every purchase I have.


Are those based on the American continent?

There seems to be a huge price difference between the US and the UK (Privia PX-S3000 at $799 in the US and £795 in the UK). Why would that be? Does it make it cheaper to just order from the US and pay import tax?

I think my best move is to wait then. I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm using at the end of March, and then go travelling, so perhaps I should consider taking a break in my learning while I wait for the Casios to come out in April.

Thanks, all!

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There seems to be a huge price difference between the US and the UK (Privia PX-S3000 at $799 in the US and £795 in the UK). Why would that be?

Taxes.


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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I think my best move is to wait then. I have to let go of the Yamaha DGX-640 I'm using at the end of March, and then go travelling, so perhaps I should consider taking a break in my learning while I wait for the Casios to come out in April.

Thanks, all!

When I went to order our ES110 in Amsterdam, ended up I ordering it from Thomann's, which at that time, had it the cheapest including shipping. I note that the Thomann's website doesn't have the new Casios listed yet, but if you are waiting, they might be listing it in the coming days, and when they do, you might find it worth checking there.


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Thanks! I'd actually put the ES110 in my Thomann basket before deciding otherwise! I noticed too that they don't offer a pre-order option on the Privias, although Woodbrass in France do. They offer the PX-S3000 on pre-order at 899€ and supposedly can ship it in three weeks…

I definitely will wait. It might just be absolute perfect timing, actually. The PX-S3000 looks so good, now I've watched the videos! The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.

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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
The friend who is lending me the Yamaha DGX-640 has been playing it (and only that) for 8 years, so if I'm going to have my first piano for that long, I want it to be the right one.

Yeah that would be wise. As mentioned in the thread above, PX-S3000 obviously wow'ed many of the NAMM visitors too as they voted it the best digital piano in the show.


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Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
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I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Can you guys be more specific as to what you mean sound-wise, for the benefit of my Boeotian ears… How could you qualify that bad sound? Would you have a more vivid description than "plinky-plonk". I'm new to this all and trying to determine what a good sound is in a DP trying to mimic an acoustic piano.

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I'd get the PX-S3000 over the PX-S1000 if to only avoid having to select different sounds/effects using keys + function button combinations.



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Originally Posted by EssBrace
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I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Indeed. All this fancy looking new case doesn't matter if the sound remians the same. I'm wondering if they used x50 era sample or improvementow x70, which was supposed to be improved.


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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
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Originally Posted by sullivang
I haven't read all the replies - but: it's excellent that there is now a standalone three-pedal unit, but....I'm not very impressed with the AP sounds.

Greg.


I agree. The main piano sound is still the same sample. They may be processing it differently but there's the unmistakeable Casio plinky-plonky sound in the mid range. There's another one off my list!....


Can you guys be more specific as to what you mean sound-wise, for the benefit of my Boeotian ears… How could you qualify that bad sound? Would you have a more vivid description than "plinky-plonk". I'm new to this all and trying to determine what a good sound is in a DP trying to mimic an acoustic piano.

Thanks.


Sorry, that's just how I've always heard the Casio piano tone...it is their Steinway sample. It is also on their GP series of console digital uprights as Hamburg Grand.

In the upper mids, about an octave and a half or so above middle C, I hear it as a very one dimensional 'plink' type of sound, lacking in nuance or depth. It's the attack sound in a few notes. Or I should say it comes across as the attack with no body or depth behind it. It sounds okay in some of the other registers but for me that overly simplistic tone, which I could also describe as being 'toy-like' in the mids is a deal breaker. I'm just quite sensitive to certain issues in piano sounds I'm afraid.

Casios also used to suffer from a distinct lack of decay time, or 'ring time'. I don't know whether they rectified that on their newest sound engine.

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So far I've heard that the PX-S1000/3000 action is good and quiet. My question is how good and how quiet? Is the action as good as the one on the Privia PX-560 ? or better? I know this can be very subjective. Any insight into the PX-S1000/3000s action playability and noisy-ness would be great.



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On the Japanese Casio site, there is a Soundcloud demo "PX - S3000 Demo". Sounds good to me, especially for the price.

https://casio.jp/emi/products/pxs3000/

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