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I would appreciate advice on which grand piano to buy. I am looking at tge Sauter Omega 220 or Shirega Kawai S5/S6 or Steinway B211-thank you for your help-kind regards Tony

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If you’re able to buy a piano in this list but still don’t know which one to choose, just take the most expensive


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The 3 pianos are different from each other.

Steinway will be different also depending whether it is a Hamburg or New York model.

Therefore most probably you will like one of them more over the other two.

So it is you to decide which one to buy.

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Originally Posted by TonyBone28
I would appreciate advice on which grand piano to buy. I am looking at tge Sauter Omega 220 or Shirega Kawai S5/S6 or Steinway B211-thank you for your help-kind regards Tony


Hopefully you have played all three. Which of the three did YOU prefer? That is the one I would buy if I were you.



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Hamburg Steinway B? Sauter Omega? Shigeru Kawai SK6? They’re different from each other, but they are all amazing options. I would base my choice on the individual pianos you’re trying at stores, since no two Steinways, Sauters, or Shigerus will be identical. This question is impossible to answer as a third party, from a computer screen. There are very few people who have played a brand new one of all these pianos, anyway.


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Since you live in Austrailia, the Steinway B was most likely made in Hamburg, Germany. The Steiniway B, New York or Hamburg, is a world-class instrument, as is the Sauter and the Kawai. In the end, it's up to you and your taste in pianos. Are there more details you can share? Are they all brand new or used? If used, what are the years of production? Do you know any of the history of these instruments? What are the price differences between them?

I think the majority of posters here on PW are based in the USA -- so keep that in mind. ;-)

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The 3 pianos you mentioned are all considered Tier 1 pianos so if they are all new, pick the one you like or love the best. Many here on PW are truly envious of your being able to afford such gorgeous pianos. If they’re not new, ask your Piano Tech for a report on the finalists. If the piano gets a thumbs up from your expert, buy it and practice, play it and enjoy every day the fabulous singing tone, clear treble, growling base and expressiveness of your Tier 1 piano. Congratulations!


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Thank you all for your helpful advice-it is appreciated.

Kind regards
Tony

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Originally Posted by j&j
The 3 pianos you mentioned are all considered Tier 1 pianos so if they are all new, pick the one you like or love the best.
Hamburg Steinway is Tier 1, Sauter is Tier 2, and Shigeru is Tier 3 although those differences in the Fine tiers include a prestige ranking which is somewhat moot IMO. I agree that all three are sensationally good and personal preference among the individual pianos should be the deciding factor.

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Having played the Sauter Ambiant grand which is the same
size as the Omega, I can only say I thought it was amazing.
To me it had a wonderful clarity in all ranges ,a lush singing
treble and of course a really powerful clear bass .I would
describe it as a really creative tone .
I am of course a lover of Sauter pianos and have a Sauter
upright so am being rather subjective .
There are members of Piano World who own the Omega grands
perhaps they would like to also say something.
I cannot compare the Sauter to the other 2 instruments as
I have never played them .I have played the New York Steinway
which of course is also a great instrument.
Good luck on your exciting choice .

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Thank you for your feedback-much appreciated

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I don't know the pricing in Australia, but the 3 models are generally closer in performance than in price. The Sauter has a bit of a size advantage, but Steinway & Kawai both have larger options. The SK5 is at a size disadvantage, so you may want to make the choice of SK5 vs SK6 first.

At this level, if your decision is not significantly impacted by price differences, the piano should satisfy you at an emotional level, and the general advice available here is more of a discussion of experiences...food for thought.

I've had positive, emotional experiences with Sauter 220's (2 for 2), Hamburg B's (most, not all). I've appreciated the few SK5 & SK6 models I've had opportunity with, but my positive, emotional experience was mostly with the SK7's.


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I would really love the Sauter, but that's just me. The Shigeru is amazing too, and a nice Steinway B, is a wonderful thing. I don't know about prices in Australia, but I'd also consider the Steingraeber 232.

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Thank you Johnstaf

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Hi Tony, I was going to send you a PM but figured you would probably not check your mail as you are new here.

It's funny to find somebody shopping for the exact same instruments as I did, but I suppose that's more an indictment of the piano market here in Sydney. I liked the Sauter a great deal and found it had significantly more colour than the SK6 in the same showroom. Of course, the dealer said he hadn't prepped the Shigeru yet so I'm not sure it was an apples to apples comparison.

My wife preferred a Steinway from a different dealer, and as you know, what wife says goes.

If you just want a good piano and don't mind the lack of an established brand, you should consider an Overs 225. You can call Ron Overs in Concord and he'll arrange a test drive for you. It's roughly the same price as the Omega.

Please check your mail, I'd love to know how much you bargained each down to.

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Thanks very much John

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I know that I've come across an SK5 that I'm considering selling a kidney to afford. grin wink


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I know that I've come across an SK5 that I'm considering selling a kidney to afford. grin wink
Really love the Millennium action, and it has a warm, rich tone that I preferred to the SK6. It may just be a particularly fine example, but I know that I could happily live with that as my forever piano.

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Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


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Originally Posted by Jami Grant
Hello Tony,
Your options are pretty good and my suggestion is for Steinway. I think you are a professionally trained pianist and that is why you are thinking of buying the grand pianos. As of my knowledge, most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway. It is for sure it meets all the standard requirements like, sound quality, soft touch, grand look and gives a better result for your huge investment.


Why would you necessarily think that the OP is a professionally trained pianist based solely on the options he mentions? The statement that "... most of the professional players, composers, concert players prefer Steinway" reads more like Steinway hype than actual fact.

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