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Originally Posted by TimM_980
Thanks for all the comments/advice. I have decided to keep it at 440. I am not ready to deal with a potential disaster. I called the manufacturer to see if the piano can handle lowering the pitch and the technician there told me it is a bad idea for the piano. He also said to ignore people on pianoworld forum because half the stuff on here is terrible information.


grin You have chosen wisely.


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Originally Posted by TimM_980
Thanks for all the comments/advice. I have decided to keep it at 440. I am not ready to deal with a potential disaster. I called the manufacturer to see if the piano can handle lowering the pitch and the technician there told me it is a bad idea for the piano. He also said to ignore people on pianoworld forum because half the stuff on here is terrible information.

C'mon! If half the information here is terrible, it means the other half is great! So at least you break even! laugh


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The space-time continuum is safe! For the time being anyway....

How do you know that the technician at the manufacturer doesn't have half terrible information?

Could he give us a breakdown of how the half thing works, since he is an expert? I mean, is it the case that half the contributors here give all bad, and the other half all good, information? Or does every contributor give half good and half bad information? Is the information in each post half good and half bad, or is it the case that half of one's posts are all good, and the other half of one's posts all bad? Should I call the guy every time I want to post, to check the good/bad ratio?


There are of course other possible fractional variables and probabilities. But that's too much arithmetic for me.....

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Pianoworld also tells me that a manufacturers' technician says that half the information on Pianoworld is terrible, including the information that a manufacturers' technician says that half the information on Pianoworld is terrible, including the information that a manufacturers' technician says that half the information on Pianoworld is terrible...

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Originally Posted by TimM_980
Thanks for all the comments/advice. I have decided to keep it at 440. I am not ready to deal with a potential disaster. I called the manufacturer to see if the piano can handle lowering the pitch and the technician there told me it is a bad idea for the piano. He also said to ignore people on pianoworld forum because half the stuff on here is terrible information.
IMO, this is a valuable lesson. It can be demonstrated that some portion of the information provided on PW is simply opinion unsubstantiated by fact. Other information is provided and butressed by verifiable data.

For the most part, opinions lacking supporting evidence should be ignored, unless they refer strictly to a subjective bias - “Red is the best colour.”

Information butressed by facts can be studied and then accepted or rejected. The best arguments occur n both sides provide valid and possibly contradictory evidence.

Just my opinion. whistle

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Having not tuned my 1945 (about) B.Brock upright for "about" 4yrs I found that the notes from A3 to A4 had dropped fairly evenly, and as A4 was just about 435, which is the lowest setting on my Yamaha (Ha! Ha!), tuner I thouht I'd stick to A4 at 435.
Seems to be sounding fine but then I'm no great pianist !

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Originally Posted by TimM_980
Thanks for all the comments/advice. I have decided to keep it at 440. I am not ready to deal with a potential disaster. I called the manufacturer to see if the piano can handle lowering the pitch and the technician there told me it is a bad idea for the piano. He also said to ignore people on pianoworld forum because half the stuff on here is terrible information.

Then tell him to come on PW'S Technical Forum and set us all straight. smile


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There are so many comedians on here. I'm starting to think the 50% estimate should be a little bit higher.

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Said without a smiley, TimM_980?

Can I just kindly, gently, politely and wistfully suggest that it does not sit very well, somehow, for a person to join this forum a few days ago, post one question, get replies from some of the most experienced piano people around (I don't mean myself) and then to recount the disparaging comment of an un-named person that half the information in here is terrible.

It is not.

Experienced people have different views on things, and that is fine - many aspects of piano work are open to discussion.

You have joined here, and had the benefit of some very informed opinions.

I now challenge your source to identify himself or herself and state which of the advice that you have been offered here is "terrible". Rather as Joe suggests above.

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You have never said why you wanted your piano to be at A432. You were asked at the beginning of the post. The reasons why others in the past who request this tuning are based on pseudoscience and stupidity. That is why you will not be taken seriously.


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Said without a smiley, TimM_980?

Can I just kindly, gently, politely and wistfully suggest that it does not sit very well, somehow, for a person to join this forum a few days ago, post one question, get replies from some of the most experienced piano people around (I don't mean myself) and then to recount the disparaging comment of an un-named person that half the information in here is terrible.

It is not.

Experienced people have different views on things, and that is fine - many aspects of piano work are open to discussion.

You have joined here, and had the benefit of some very informed opinions.

I now challenge your source to identify himself or herself and state which of the advice that you have been offered here is "terrible". Rather as Joe suggests above.


Sorry I meant it in jest. I missed the smiley face part smile. I was trying to go along with the fun.

I said I appreciated the comments/advice. I should have kept my mouth shut about what the technician told me. I’m not sure if he said half the stuff, most of the stuff, or some of the stuff. I don’t remember the exact word. I’m new to piano technology and can’t tell what is good advice/bad advice, or who are the most experienced people around. I apologize for causing trouble.

The reason why I wanted to tune to 432 is because somebody said it sounds better and thought I’d try to see if it actually made a difference and then tune back to 440 when I’m done.

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Whether tuning to another pitch sounds better or worse depends on your pitch sensitivity and what you are used to. I tuned a piano to 435 for a customer years ago, and to me it sounded worse, but it may have been fine to him. I suppose that after a while, if you are not especially sensitive, you will get used to any pitch.

There is software that changes pitch without slowing down the tempo, so you could use that to experiment. It is easier to do that than to retune a piano at a different pitch.


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Sorry, I came on a bit strong. I am grumpy this week, having broken my ankle on Tuesday....

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Ahhh...who needs an ankle anyway?

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Seriously though, sorry to hear that David. Hope the rest of you is okay.

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Originally Posted by David Boyce
Sorry, I came on a bit strong. I am grumpy this week, having broken my ankle on Tuesday....




Sounds like it's time for you to switch from "impact" to "slow pull..." laugh



I wish you a speedy and complete recovery! smile

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Originally Posted by TimM_980
There are so many comedians on here. I'm starting to think the 50% estimate should be a little bit higher.


You probably had it right at 50%. The question is: Which 50% is right? and which 50% is wrong? Therein lies the challenge. You're on the right track. When you do not know how to proceed, what's wrong with calling tech services at the manufacturer? Throw your question onto a forum and often you'll get anywhere from a cacophony of uncertain sounds to a hopeless feeding frenzy - techs biting and devouring one another. Notwithstanding, after you've been reading PW Forums for a while, you'll learn to discern between the good and the bad. Stick around . There is value here. :-)


Best wishes,

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Originally Posted by Ralphiano
Originally Posted by David Boyce
Sorry, I came on a bit strong. I am grumpy this week, having broken my ankle on Tuesday....




Sounds like it's time for you to switch from "impact" to "slow pull..." laugh



I wish you a speedy and complete recovery! smile



Ditto. Ouch!

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Originally Posted by David Boyce
Sorry, I came on a bit strong. I am grumpy this week, having broken my ankle on Tuesday....

Sorry to hear about your ankle. I hope you feel better, too.


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True! I've got another!

Thank you for your good wishes folks. It happened in the supermarket filling state forecourt last Tuesday. I slipped on black ice on a metal manhole cover.

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What makes me grumpy, and I offer no excuse, is when people get swayed by ridiculous ideologies.


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