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Hypothetically speaking, if one wished to remove ink signatures from the plate, what is the recommended procedure which poses minimal risk to the gold paint? Has anyone done this?

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Hypothetically, why would one want to remove ink signatures from the plate?


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It would be a challenge to remove a signature without damaging the gold finish because the marker will have burned into it. Spraying a new finish over it would probably be the only option.


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Typical "Sharpie" ink will be dissolved by most paints, and therefore bleed through a new finish. You might try a few thin coats of pigmented shellac, like "Kilz", a stain blocking product. Then your new finish over the stain block. But as Adam says, likely it's better to just leave well enough alone. BTW, who signed it?


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Oh dear, I was hoping there was an easy way to remove it.

Nevermind who signed it - don't want to hate on a pianist I am sure you all know.

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Using duct tape, paint it gold and cut a piece the size of the signatures and place the cut piece of duct tape over the signature. No one will know it's duct tape except you.


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Originally Posted by oldMH
Oh dear, I was hoping there was an easy way to remove it.

Nevermind who signed it - don't want to hate on a pianist I am sure you all know.


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Perhaps it was Helene Bechstein. ,she poisened Bechstein, s reputation for years !

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No ! Perhaps Richard Clayderman ?

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Can someone speak to the effect that partially polar solvents would have on the plate's gold finish? I'm thinking of ethanol, acetone, or other ketones or aldehydes.

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Be proud he or she was a well known pianist .We cannot try to erase history .If we do try we can ruin so much !

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What is the plate's gold finish? Is it just like gold-colored Rustoleum or what?

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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Can someone speak to the effect that partially polar solvents would have on the plate's gold finish? I'm thinking of ethanol, acetone, or other ketones or aldehydes.


The best approach to this question is to take the lid off the grand piano, and do Q-tip tests along the bass side of the plate where nobody will ever see. Rule out anything that gives you gold on the Q-tip.... Good luck getting ethanol. The denatured alcohol available today is mostly methanol, which turns out to work fine for shellac.


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I agree with those who have asked why one would want to remove signatures from a plate. Unless it's someone repellent, why even try? I cannot imagine anything that I would use that could remove a Sharpie signature (if that's what it is) without disturbing the paint. And once you try something and it leaves a mark, it's too late.

But if it is important to you to remove the signature, I would be inclined to think that hiring an art restorer who knows what he or she is doing would be a good plan. Would you mess with an unwanted signature on a painting or the like? I wouldn't, especially not if I wanted to remove the mark without creating a scar.

So my answer would be: if you can't live with the signature, hire an expert to remove it for you.

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So my answer would be: if you can't live with the signature, hire an expert to remove it for you.
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Originally Posted by Rank Piano Amateur
I agree with those who have asked why one would want to remove signatures from a plate. Unless it's someone repellent, why even try? I cannot imagine anything that I would use that could remove a Sharpie signature (if that's what it is) without disturbing the paint. And once you try something and it leaves a mark, it's too late.

But if it is important to you to remove the signature, I would be inclined to think that hiring an art restorer who knows what he or she is doing would be a good plan. Would you mess with an unwanted signature on a painting or the like? I wouldn't, especially not if I wanted to remove the mark without creating a scar.

So my answer would be: if you can't live with the signature, hire an expert to remove it for you.

That's funny because I feel almost the compete opposite - unless that signature is specifically important to me, I don't want it there. I don't like signed pianos. To me it's like piano graffiti. If I bought a new piano from a great maker and they offered to personally sign it, I would say "no thank you". I agree that it would be hard to get a signature off and have a good result though, so I agree that getting an expert involved would be a good idea.

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Or maybe sell it to a fan of the person who signed it, and go buy one of the 99.999+% of pianos that aren't signed.


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I think it was signed by either Richard Nixon or Adolph Hitler! Lol!


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Nixon and Harry Truman played, Hitler and Stalin didn't.

Very few world leaders are at all musical. I guess it just takes too much time to amass great political power, no time left for scales and arpeggios.... ;-)


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Stephen Harper, the former prime minister of Canada, is known for his piano playing and singing:

Stephen Harper sings Beatles

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