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Hello folks!

I'm about to get myself a new digital piano I have a chance to get a PX-130 used for a fair price, but i was wondering how much better the PX-160 is?

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I disliked the PX-130/PX-330 action. I thought it was the worst of the Casio actions, preferring both the older and th newer ones. So given that choice, I'd get the PX-160.

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Hello, I had the PX-130 for 6 years- it was used as a portable but while the action was ok going down- coming up it was always kind of harsh. I thought the sounds had a little bit of a synthetic edge to them but it was durable. However, it didn't have 1/8th outputs.

Overall, I can ask you if you are considering any other models?


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All Casio DP below their x50 model sound really bad, no bass, cheap tone and short decay time, and these model are old enough that their action became noisy and clunky, even when it was a hammer action


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Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
All Casio DP below their x50 model sound really bad, no bass, cheap tone and short decay time, and these model are old enough that their action became noisy and clunky, even when it was a hammer action


I think that even though I agree with you about the action, the 50 series has a very short sustain length; it has a realistic attack sample like Casio’s current sound but in some ways a worse over-all playability than its predecessor.

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Originally Posted by emenelton
Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
All Casio DP below their x50 model sound really bad, no bass, cheap tone and short decay time, and these model are old enough that their action became noisy and clunky, even when it was a hammer action


I think that even though I agree with you about the action, the 50 series has a very short sustain length; it has a realistic attack sample like Casio’s current sound but in some ways a worse over-all playability than its predecessor.

I thought the 50 series and 60 series had the same piano sound (maybe differences in subtleties like string resonance or polyphony, but the same samples). No? Though I tend to agree with you about playability. I found the old PX-310 more nicely playable than current models, even if in some ways less "accurate."

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
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Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
All Casio DP below their x50 model sound really bad, no bass, cheap tone and short decay time, and these model are old enough that their action became noisy and clunky, even when it was a hammer action


I think that even though I agree with you about the action, the 50 series has a very short sustain length; it has a realistic attack sample like Casio’s current sound but in some ways a worse over-all playability than its predecessor.

I thought the 50 series and 60 series had the same piano sound (maybe differences in subtleties like string resonance or polyphony, but the same samples). No? Though I tend to agree with you about playability. I found the old PX-310 more nicely playable than current models, even if in some ways less "accurate."


I could be wrong but the PX3 I had, exhibited the shortest attack and a very synthetic looped sustain. The PX5S seems to have the same attack but overall a very nice acoustic piano sound.

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Yes, I think the PX5S (similar to x50/x50) has better piano sound than PX3 (similar to x30).

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Yes, I think the PX5S (similar to x50/x50) has better piano sound than PX3 (similar to x30).

Oh , I thought the px3 was like he 350? Well guess I can stop beating this horse!

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I'm just looking for a decent piano for a around the same money as the Casio PX-160

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Originally Posted by nicklasqk
I'm just looking for a decent piano for a around the same money as the Casio PX-160


That would be a PX-160. ;-) You might also want to try a Yamaha P45.

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sorry about the ‘side-bar’
have to agree with everyone; the 160 is a lot better than the 130

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I don't know about the "playablility", maybe it's personal taste or the synthetic ivory keytop from Casio feel "fake", or one just simply became too "familiar" with their old DP's sound, but I am agree that the x50 series still have short sustain, especially on mid to high range, but it is a lot better than their old model, and their piano's tone has improved too, the old Aif (or whatever) sound extremely muffled to me. But maybe Nicklas, if you can, wait for the 170 to release, cuz I've tried their new 870 and 770 and I must say that I am impressed by their new piano tone, unlike the x50 and x60 series which have the same sound, beside some unnecessary bell and whistle stuff like "hammer noise".... The x70 series definitely improved their sound


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Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
All Casio DP below their x50 model sound really bad, no bass, cheap tone and short decay time, and these model are old enough that their action became noisy and clunky, even when it was a hammer action


Absolutely agree!
I thought the PX3 I had was the 350 piano, not sure now.

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Welp, Casio has the specifications of the PX3 online, so we can solve the mystery: "Sound Source: Linear Morphing AIF" they say, so it's the same as in the x20 and x30 series and the oddly named x20 series contemporary PX-800.

This is what it sounds like (with some German sales speak):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUtTY5D9ko

I've got a PX-800 and it's obviously not a very realistic sound, but it's (*)"usable" and "tolerable", but a bit boring. But not as annoying as the x50 and x60 series.

(* My main problem is still playing the right notes at the right time and not mastering all the fine nuances in a piece.)

And the CP-80 style "Electric grand" sound is extremely awful. Probably not sampled from a real one.

Looking at the x70 series or other brands might indeed be a good idea.

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Hmm...the x30 series actually sounds a bit different than the x20 series, I guess. Closer to the newer ones. Here's a x30 series demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ2Sl39GouA

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If you are liking Casio go for PX-160. The Air sound source is superior to the AIF that came in the PX-130/330, and the action is much better than the 130/330. The PX3 also had the same action as the PX-130/330, but had simulated ivory keytops. It too used the AIF sound chip. The piano sample in the PXX60 series is much more realistic than older Casios. It is more detailed in the lower octaves and less plinky sounding in the high octaves. The sustain is also better particularly in the high notes. I would not say the piano sound is bad in older Casios, it does lack the richness, warmth, and sustain of the new models but was otherwise ok. Starting with the PXX30 series Casio started to gradually improve and be accepted in the pro market due to lower weight and better sound and price/performance.

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Originally Posted by galaxy4t
Starting with the PXX30 series Casio started to gradually improve and be accepted in the pro market due to lower weight and better sound and price/performance.

I don't know... I actually thought the older models were better, and that the 130/330 were the low point of the Privia line. The PX3S started to turn that around. Regardless, the entire series has been low weight and and price/performance competitive.

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Like you Scott, I had an older Casio too and thought highly of it. The PX-330 was considered an improvement over the PX-320 which drew some attention. The 330 marked the arrival of the Mike Martin era and the gradual improvement of Casio in the pro market starting with the PX-3 which was ultimately replaced by the PX5S and the addition of the PX-560 and MZX line. It looks like MZX will be phased out in favor of CT-X.

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Now that I think of it, I never played an x20 model. But I didn't like the x30 as much as the x00 or x10. It was definitely better on paper... three sensors, four velocity layers... but to me, it didn't play as well, and also EP was weaker. PX3S was a step in the right direction from there, and there's a lot to like in the PX5S, PX560, MZX500.

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