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As far as I know, pianists usually avoid lifting anything heavy. All the more so pumping iron in gym (exept Cosme McMunn, accompanist of Florence Foster Jenkins, who loved bodybuilding very much)))
There are some activities where you need to build strength or muscle mass and maintain or even encrease your speed. Boxing, for example. If you will just pump iron, your punches speed and stamina will decrease. Boxers can not afford it. So, they invented special techniques and methods allowing them to work with weights and increase speed at the same time.
There should be possibilities for pianists to pump some iron a couple of times in a week and do not loose speed. But looks like pianist solved this problem in another way:
"- Hey, I've heard weights are bad for speed.
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I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
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Originally Posted by peterws
I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
Just play!


No, I don't wanna use weight for fingers to work on speed or anyting like this)) I just wanna do a couple of exersises with dumbbells, pull-ups, bench press 2 or 3 times a week and be sure it will not have bad influence on my piano playing)


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I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
Just play!


No, I don't wanna use weight for fingers to work on speed or anyting like this)) I just wanna do a couple of exersises with dumbbells, pull-ups, bench press 2 or 3 times a week and be sure it will not have bad influence on my piano playing)


Go Ahead .... You have MY permission.


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I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
Just play!


No, I don't wanna use weight for fingers to work on speed or anyting like this)) I just wanna do a couple of exersises with dumbbells, pull-ups, bench press 2 or 3 times a week and be sure it will not have bad influence on my piano playing)


Go Ahead .... You have MY permission.





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The absolute worst practice I do is trying to squeeze my practice in after getting back from the gym after midnight. It's like someone replaced your dominant hand with another sub and made you play on a steep hill. However it might be good mental training to play out of my comfort zone.


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
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I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
Just play!


No, I don't wanna use weight for fingers to work on speed or anyting like this)) I just wanna do a couple of exersises with dumbbells, pull-ups, bench press 2 or 3 times a week and be sure it will not have bad influence on my piano playing)

I've been pumping iron for several decades, working on all my limb and torso muscles - very heavy weights, BTW - because I rock-climb and also climb high mountains, often carrying 40 lb + in my pack. (I can support my weight with the fingers of one hand.) Without decent muscles on my puny shoulders and arms, I'd collapse like jelly........

Oh, I forgot - I also play the piano sometimes. wink


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Originally Posted by bennevis
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Originally Posted by peterws
I been usin' weights (only 6 and 8 kgs) for my b*ggered shoulder and semi arthritic elbows, and it's helped me realise that arms don't just hang from shoulders . . . . they do help considerably. But weights for your fingers mightn't be the best option. . . .
Just play!


No, I don't wanna use weight for fingers to work on speed or anyting like this)) I just wanna do a couple of exersises with dumbbells, pull-ups, bench press 2 or 3 times a week and be sure it will not have bad influence on my piano playing)

I've been pumping iron for several decades, working on all my limb and torso muscles - very heavy weights, BTW - because I rock-climb and also climb high mountains, often carrying 40 lb + in my pack. (I can support my weight with the fingers of one hand.) Without decent muscles on my puny shoulders and arms, I'd collapse like jelly........

Oh, I forgot - I also play the piano sometimes. wink


Wow)) That's cool!)


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I teach a weightlifting class. So far my piano fingers still work!

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I think for a pianist swimming is better - harmoniously develops the body muscles .

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Originally Posted by Nahum
I think for a pianist swimming is better - harmoniously develops the body muscles .

+1.

I think exercising forearms with dumbbells is particularly bad for pianist. Other activities are probably not so harmful as soon as you exercise after playing piano.

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I joined a gym just 2 days ago for the first time in my life.
Now I'm getting worried. Although bennevis's words felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm still kind of skeptical now.

I'm a 5"6' skinny guy of 18 and nearly everyone I know tells me that I'm tiny and anorexic so after much debates and persuasion from my family, I manned up enough to face the gym.
Is it a trade off between fast fingers or a beautiful physique? I want both of them.

No I don't know swimming and there are no pools nearby.

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When I'm physically fitter, I play a lot better - more stamina and more arm strength, and generally just more mentally able to focus and focus for longer periods.

... just don't break or sprain your fingers or wrists in your enthusiasm ...!


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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev

I think exercising forearms with dumbbells is particularly bad for pianist.


I thought so too. But after some months since I left my forearms without any training it happened that one guy asked me to help him carry some heavy stuff from a car to his 4th floor. One box we carried together, holding it on arms outstretched. And it loaded my forearms pretty heavy, so for several days after I felt muscular pain because of lactic acid. Such a thing usually happen to not trained muscles when they suddenly have to work hard. This could happen before exam or recital. So, I think that, may be, it's better to keep forearm always in shape, using expander os something, so that sudden work wouldn't have such an effect.


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Originally Posted by luckiest_charm
I joined a gym just 2 days ago for the first time in my life.
Now I'm getting worried. Although bennevis's words felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm still kind of skeptical now.

I'm a 5"6' skinny guy of 18 and nearly everyone I know tells me that I'm tiny and anorexic so after much debates and persuasion from my family, I manned up enough to face the gym.
Is it a trade off between fast fingers or a beautiful physique? I want both of them.

No I don't know swimming and there are no pools nearby.


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Biking is definitely enjoyable. I was able to get out for a few days this week after taking my exam last Sunday. I also have an electric bike, which some think is cheating. Yea, I can bump up the pedal assist to 5 and blow by many people. The other cyclists look at you and want to kill you, haha. However, you can also get a good workout with an electric bike. Go up a hill and turn off the pedal assist. It's not easy climbing with a 50lb bike!


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Originally Posted by luckiest_charm
I joined a gym just 2 days ago for the first time in my life.
Now I'm getting worried. Although bennevis's words felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm still kind of skeptical now.

I'm a 5"6' skinny guy of 18 and nearly everyone I know tells me that I'm tiny and anorexic so after much debates and persuasion from my family, I manned up enough to face the gym.
Is it a trade off between fast fingers or a beautiful physique? I want both of them.

No I don't know swimming and there are no pools nearby.

Start easy - use light weights & resistances, and get used to them before you push yourself.

BTW, lifting weights isn't going to turn you into an Arnie lookalike, unless you have the right genetic makeup. I still look puny even though I've been 'pumping iron' for decades (with no injuries, I might add). I might possibly look like a Sumo wrestler if I keep stuffing myself, but I still won't have the visible muscles.

On the other hand, I do have something resembling a 'chest' and a six-pack (if you look at it from a certain angle, with the right lighting), which I didn't have before....... wink


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Originally Posted by luckiest_charm

I'm a 5"6' skinny guy of 18 and nearly everyone I know tells me that I'm tiny and anorexic so after much debates and persuasion from my family, I manned up enough to face the gym.


Holy excrement!

Okay, you are producing great amounts of testosterone and still growing. By all means, please take advantage of this time in your life, because even though you think it's hard right now....

Lift safe.


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Originally Posted by bennevis

Start easy - use light weights & resistances, and get used to them before you push yourself.

BTW, lifting weights isn't going to turn you into an Arnie lookalike, unless you have the right genetic makeup. I still look puny even though I've been 'pumping iron' for decades (with no injuries, I might add). I might possibly look like a Sumo wrestler if I keep stuffing myself, but I still won't have the visible muscles.

On the other hand, I do have something resembling a 'chest' and a six-pack (if you look at it from a certain angle, with the right lighting), which I didn't have before....... wink

Generally, muscles not showing = too much fat covering it, think of Strongman. It's not my intention to offend you, that's just how it is. For muscles to show you need a pretty low body fat %.


Originally Posted by luckiest_charm
I joined a gym just 2 days ago for the first time in my life.
Now I'm getting worried. Although bennevis's words felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm still kind of skeptical now.

I'm a 5"6' skinny guy of 18 and nearly everyone I know tells me that I'm tiny and anorexic so after much debates and persuasion from my family, I manned up enough to face the gym.
Is it a trade off between fast fingers or a beautiful physique? I want both of them.

No I don't know swimming and there are no pools nearby.

My sister and I are both skinny but she looks much better. No one has ever called me anorexic (it happened to my sister), except once but maybe it was just my impression. I've been told to eat more but nobody has ever seen how much I can and do eat at home. I don't like to eat a lot when I'm out.

I agree with Whizbang.

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Originally Posted by f3r
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Start easy - use light weights & resistances, and get used to them before you push yourself.

BTW, lifting weights isn't going to turn you into an Arnie lookalike, unless you have the right genetic makeup. I still look puny even though I've been 'pumping iron' for decades (with no injuries, I might add). I might possibly look like a Sumo wrestler if I keep stuffing myself, but I still won't have the visible muscles.

On the other hand, I do have something resembling a 'chest' and a six-pack (if you look at it from a certain angle, with the right lighting), which I didn't have before....... wink

Generally, muscles not showing = too much fat covering it, think of Strongman. It's not my intention to offend you, that's just how it is. For muscles to show you need a pretty low body fat %.



Don't worry, I'm not offended cool

When I was younger, my body fat was 9%. No abdominal muscles showed. My waist was 30 inches and flat. That was when I was running marathons but hadn't joined a gym, and my workouts were purely aerobic - mostly running - and for endurance, not strength.

I'm now somewhat older and slower, probably not wiser but much stronger because of my workouts at the gym. I've cut down on my running and racing - my weight-bearing joints aren't up to them any more. (I'm not blessed with the biomechanics of an athlete). On the same electronic scales, I'm now 12% body fat, but I can show a few muscles here & there. My waist is now 32 inches....and still flat. grin

Incidentally, bodybuilders dehydrate prior to competitions, to show off their muscles and veins. They do lots of other things too, which I won't elaborate on......


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